Boy Scout membership at all time high (ESPECIALLY in San Francisco)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>FINE! Let's do away with contributions
for AIDS research! [/quote]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Really warms the heart to see people 'tolerate' each other, doesn't it.[/quote]
certainly does.
 
Why even bother arguing ?

When...

People are immoral because of who they love

People choose their sexuality.

So, you decided to be a heterosexual ? (I am assuming you are) :rolleyes: Or do you just like to blame out of the closet homosexuals to justify your own repressed urges ?? :o :o

Gay men are promiscuous ...Uhh, actually all men are promiscous, if women had the same attitude about sex, we heteros would be getting it on just as much.

Here's one for the SATs, Nazis are to Jews as Homosexuals are to Boyscouts.

Hmmm, please explain to me how gay adults and children are the antithesis of boy scouts ? Is their some secret homosexual pact against Boy Scouts that we are unaware of ? Did the young man who achieved Eagle Scout have ulterior motives ? Do you really think gay men become scout leaders because they want to commit mass genocide ? And oh yea, no where in the definition of pedophile is homosexual mentioned. Keep that in mind.

Taking away land from the boyscouts is equivalent to government stopping Aids research

Wow, so let me get this straight, only gay men get AIDS, and discriminatory private institutions deserve just as much support as a health epidemic ?

With friends like these who needs to worry about enemies ? My gun rights are going down the tube not because of so called wishy washy soccer moms, but because my fellow supporters are narrow minded, culturally regressive bigots.

Save these posts so that some day when your Grandchildren get their permits to play with pop guns, they can look back on you just as we now look back on those who supported Jim Crowe laws.

[This message has been edited by MTAA (edited September 07, 2000).]
 
:rolleyes: Can't we all just get along? :rolleyes:

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The fact is that the government does not have the right to dictate the rules of assocciation. Yet, somehow they have assumed that priviledge for themselves and are forcing us into associations that they feel is good for us. They must be doing it for the children. Right?

It's pretty pathetic to see the hypocracy that's present.

"Don't touch/restrict my guns because I have the right as an individual to self defense! But force this private organization that is excercising it's right to association to accept individuals that do not meet the standards it sets for its members!"

Well, since we are private individuals/organizations too, why shouldn't we be denied the use of public lands?

Oooops... maybe we're NOT private after all. Doesn't everyone here have their slave number?

Get real, and stop the hypocracy.

All you whiners go form your own "Gay Scouts" organization, and excercise your 1st Amendment right to association.

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"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

See The Legacy of Gun Control film at: www.cphv.com

Do it for the children...
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Well, since we are private individuals/organizations too, why shouldn't we be denied the use of public lands?[/quote]We are denied the use of public land.

How many NRA chapters have one dollar/year leases to shoot on public land?

No one is saying the BSA can't use public land.

The issue is the special rights enjoyed by the BSA.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gorthaur:
Homosexuality is a choice.
Click to expand...
Bullsh!t

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Sounds like a "Twinkie" defense, to me.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>We are denied the use of public land.[/quote]

How? And do you differentiate between "Wildlife reserve" and "nation forest"? Or are wer just talking about government facilities?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>How many NRA chapters have one dollar/year leases to shoot on public land?[/quote]

I wasn't aware that the BSA was a lobbying organization.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The issue is the special rights enjoyed by the BSA.[/quote]

Please list these special rights that the BSA enjoys that we are talking about.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

See The Legacy of Gun Control film at: www.cphv.com

Do it for the children...
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Please list these special rights that the BSA enjoys that we are talking about.[/quote]Beware, some of these reference the ACLU :eek: ;)
http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=9875
http://www.aracnet.com/~atheism/writ/scout9704.htm http://www.aclusandiego.org/boyscoutsbalboa.htm http://www.slonet.org/~ipauslo/news.html http://sir.home.texas.net/OBISPO.htm


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[This message has been edited by Gorthaur (edited September 07, 2000).]
 
Well CINDY, now you are beginning to see the light from my last post. AIDS funding which affects people of all walks of life. I disagree with that statement.
Epidemiologists will disagree as well.
Babies get aids from mothers who are I.V. drug users or engaged with partners with the virus or from a bad blood transfusion. At any rate it is odd that our children don't have aids. Why is that? Well we are not i.v drug users, we have not had any blood transfusions lately, and we don't engage in promiscuity. Remember my statement, it is a democracy! If you want to get aids you can do it! If you want to enroll your son in a gay boy scout organization then start one of your own. We won't be upset if you do. That is what a democracy is all about. Of course I am not for stopping aids research but it is the equivalent to the terse statement to do away with "sweetheart deals for the boyscouts with parks etc."
 
MTAA , It does not matter to me what your moral or political ideology is.I mentioned doing away with aids research is an analogue to seeking retribution against the boyscouts by doing away with sweetheart deals. Neither is right.
I am talking about the essence of a democracy. If you want to get personal and tag me as a bigot, homophobe, narrowminded etc, then go ahead, that's what a democracy is all about. MY MESSAGE IS if you want to start your own unique organization with it's unique charter then go ahead. What is interesting is that I was never a boy scout. I am merely
putting my 2 cents into this post and that's all its worth.
 
Ok, my last thwunk on this deceased pony this year (promise). The references to "special treatment" are for the most part pretty benign. Heck, Americorp is more politically active than the BSA. And yes the ACLU wins no liberty points with me considering their position on the 2nd. I will agree that the BSA should take the high road and distance itself from any state involvement. The fact that BC is an honorarium is a wake up call. The difference will be made up in the private sector easily. The positive nature of the institution is worth preserving. It will not be improved by socialist intervention. A self-centered political entity won't easily destroy its future.
To associate The BSA position on Gays with the moral equivalent of the Holocaust and American Slavery does insult to those who truly suffered. We are dicussing not being allowed into an exclusive club to serve as an ideal role model. I would exclude myself from contention.
Although my mind is open, I do feel that any sexual identity and subsequent behavior is a choice. We are all burdened with free will. My quest for an empirical source to dispute this was ignored.
I do not assume that Gays are prone to pedophilia. I will state that I would be very uncomfortable with a 21 year old single male being a girl scout den "mother".
I have a hetero friend who cheats on his wife. Don't want him to be a scoutmaster either.
And for those that assume that anyone who rejects the sexuality politics dogma is a hater of souls..How many actually have cleaned the vomit of an AIDS patient from your own bathroom? Shared the same plate, drank from the same glass, got your ass kicked while providing escort to a gay priest from an 'establishment' who was only giving Last Rites to a dying friend?
They are friends and family. They don't need to be scoutmasters, that's all. It ain't about hate.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I do feel that any sexual identity...is a choice. My quest for an empirical source to dispute this was ignored.[/quote]If you assert that the moon is made of cheese, you're not likely to find anyone willing to waste time disputing that either. Both are equally ludicrous statements.

I can only assume that people who claim it's a choice are actually bi; nothing else makes the slightest sense.

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No. Homosexuality is not entirely a genetic thing. There is definately choice involved.

When I called this the "Twinkie" defense, I meant that if this sails then anything goes... goodness, what if some guy ate a Twinkie and then shot up a bunch of people in a McDonalds, and then claimed in court that the Twinkie made him do it?

Naw, couldn't happen.

Both immoral acts, according to my knowledge.

Considering that a very popular religion in America is Christianity, and that it is derived or based upon thousands of years of recorded history and wisdom, and that one of the beliefs of Christianity is that the act of homosexuality is detrimental to the individual and the society, it should comes as no surprise that there are groups who would call such action amoral or not "morally straight."

But, every generation goes through the throws of experimentation, and it all ends up the same. Some people never learn.

Jeff Thomas said it best, that the whining done by these "minority" groups creates more distain and revulsion for them than what they are fighting against.

Most of them just have an axe to grind.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

See The Legacy of Gun Control film at: www.cphv.com

Do it for the children...
 
A few staurophobics here?

John is this deja vu, havent we been there done that got the free t-shirt?

I can see the forced acceptance logic is alive and well. The liberals are doing a very good job, I'll give them that.

Where is Enochgale/50AE?

Maybe the solution is more hate crime legislation to curb all those intolerant religious persons and put an end to this hatred. A zero tolerance plan might be called for, lest these religious zelots take control of Amerika and force people to wear crosses and belive in Jesus!

[This message has been edited by oberkommando (edited September 08, 2000).]
 
101K. If we must bring up Gays vs Scouts again :rolleyes: , let's refrain from the religious mudslinging and finger-wagging in both directions, umkay?
 
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