Boulder, Colorado gun ban - city council to decide

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labgrade

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Just heard of the below 12/17 & pulled it off the RMGO site. Posted for your viewing pleasure. A gentleman will be on AFN at 3PM MST to fill us in on some more particulars & we'll take it from there.

Film at 11.

"ROCKY MOUNTAIN GUN OWNERS (http://www.rmgo.org)

Boulder City Council to unveil sweeping new gun controls;

Monday, December 6, 1999 -- In a supposed response to the tragedy at Columbine High School, the Boulder City Council will consider recommendations from their city attorney to enact broad new gun controls.

According to sources, the Council will hear proposals for:

banning the possession of any firearm outside of the home or place of business;
banning the possession and/or sale of all assault weapons;
banning juvenile possession of any pistol, rifle or shotgun;
creating a new crime of negligent storage of a firearm.
Though none of these proposals will have any effect on incidents like Columbine, clearly the tragedy is being used as a springboard for the limitation of citizens' civil rights.

At the time of this writing no more specifics were available, and many questions remain about the viability of such incredibly broad gun controls. If firearms cannot be taken out of the home, hunting is apparently an outlawed sport, and carrying in a vehicle for self protection is out of the question.

Here's what to do: Call the Boulder City Council today at (303) 441-3090 to voice your objection to their Nazi-like gun proposals. (Though you can e-mail the City Council at Council@ci.boulder.co.us, phone calls have more impact) For a city that places so much emphasis on "civil rights" they should remember that the 2nd Amendment is the guarantor of the other rights.

E-mail: ExDir@RMGO.org"
 
What took them so long? I'm not surprised by this news, only saddened. I've never been to Boulder, and here's another reason to keep it that way. There's a reason why that city is known as the People's Republic of Boulder here in Colorado, and it's actions like this.

Hey, maybe, if this passes, many of the criminals will migrate to Boulder to better ply their trade. Yeah, maybe there is a silver lining to this dark cloud, except, of course, for the average law-abiding Boulder citizen.
DAL

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Reading "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal," by Ayn Rand, should be required of every politician and in every high school.
 
No surprise here, except that it took them so long. I've been to Boulder (never could find the SOF offices...) and it is a nice place. Wonderful mountains. Some of the best pizza and beer around. Only problem with it was most of the residents were WEIRD. Hopefully, the more enlightened among them will wake up and flush this foolishness down the toilet where it belongs.
 
Actually, as a friend of mine says, in some ways the worse it gets, the better it gets. The more fascist laws they pass, the better. Someone will test them in court, and it may be the truly outrageous attempts to destroy civil rights which will finally get this pendulum headed back in the other direction.

I guess Boulder is off my vacation list ...
 
So Boulder Co. will still have the right to keep arms but Not bear them.
Anti constitutional, but then, when did that ever stop a liberal.

Liberal and reality are mutually exclusive & exaclty dissimilar.
 
I lived in Boulder for about 8 months (No I was not a student there).

The bike trails, the mountains, the food and the Pearl street mall with that old black guy playing the sax, were the best parts.

But, like nearly every college town, it was extreme in it liberal thought.

This move comes as no surprise.

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John/az

"The middle of the road between the extremes of good and evil, is evil. When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
 
I've lived in Boulder for 17 years, although I'm moving in a couple of months (unrelated to this gun-control fiasco).

Yes, Boulder has always been a hotbed of liberalism, but it was a reasonably tolerant place back in the 70's and 80's. After all, Soldier of Fortune magazine has been published out of Boulder for years. David Kopel, who writes so eloquently on gun issues has been a resident for years. There is an excellent gun club right on the outskirts of Boulder, not 10 miles from City Hall. The Boulder County Sheriff, George Epp is pro-gun and has a liberal policy on issuing CCW permits. There are a lot of pro-gun, libertarian oriented, people who live in the city limits.

However, and this should be a wakeup call for all of you, in the last decade we've had an enormous influx of folks from California (in the early 90's, 30,000+ CA driver's licenses were being surrendered PER YEAR to the state Motor Vehicle Division as people moved into the area). Most of these folks have settled in the Denver/Boulder area and have brought their insane California politics with them.

Now we're overrun with wannabe "World Class" atheletes and their ilk. The local funky businesses are being run out by trendy national chains. Its a bunch of rich, largely white, yuppies who think they've found their safe piece of Heaven and, by God, NO ONE will threaten that. The sign was on the wall when Boulder outlawed smoking in public places a few years ago.

This used to be a great place.

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Although state law allows the bearing of loaded arms for lawful self defense while traveling, the Denver City Council decided that anyone who carries a weapon in their car in their city limits will not only lose their weapon but their car as well.

The type of people who inhabit Boulder are the hippie types who follow the Phish concerts, etc and you have NEVER seen so many 21 window VW buses in your life. They hang out on the 16th Street Mall and the girls wear the diaphonous dresses and the guys have the long hair, etc. and they panhandle and play guiter, etc. for alms. These are not your hippies that never grew up; these are kids.

Boulder is also a college (liberal college) town. we had david Skaggs as our Liberal representative and Boulder votes Liberal because of the college influence. The little dears come to Boulder and register to vote even though, officially, they don't live there. They don't get an absentee ballot from their own district, they just vote there and then leave and go back home leaving us with their dregs.

I worked the phones for Skaggs opposition one year and about 50% of the calls I made ended up at Frat and Sorority houses where I learned that the "registered voter" no longer lived there. One young lady, one, told me that she was voting an absentee ballot in her home state. I commended her for her honesty and adherence to the law. she felt as I did; that Boulder is being stuck with representatives that do not represent those who actually live there.

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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
 
for you CO people.....
I have a job pending in that area.....think I should try the Cheyanne area instead??? if not... were?

thanks
 
Chem, try Colorado Springs. Open carry is legal here (and rarely gets a second glance), the Shurf is a good guy, even our local JBT (Rich Marianos, BATF AIC) publicly sneered at Kellermann in October. 'sides, we gots good gun stores. :)

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"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it."
-- John Hay, 1872
 
Chemnc0917, you don't want to live in Boulder or Denver but there are plenty of places on the front range that are nice if you can afford them. Affording them is the big issue. Along with their politics, the CA folks have brought fat wallets and housing prices are heading for the stratosphere.

I like the Longmont, Loveland or Berthod areas which put you close to Denver/Boulder for work. The West Slope, around Grand Junction is nice, and much more old-time Colorado (read "conservative"), if you can find work there.
 
I used to live in Longmont and it is a great place. It is close enough to the mountains that you don't get the tornadoes or the damaging hail like you do in the areas further out. George Epp is the sherrif of Boulder County and he is liberal with concealed carry permits. Longmont is 12 miles from Boulder and about 34 North of Denver.

Coineach is right about CO Springs. They have an excellent sherrif John Anderson who has issued (when I lived there 2 years ago) in excess of 6,500 concealed carry permits. The bad part is that the Southern pert of the state gets a LOT of snow and damaging hail. Our friends who live there got the roof taken off by hail and water damage when the skylights got taken out. He got caught out in the mess and ended up having to take shelter under his car when the convertible top started punching out.

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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
 
If it becomes illegal to possess a firearm outside the home or business, how does one get the firearm from the store/FFL home, or from home to place of business, without being a criminal? Boulder, you maka me laugh! If I was a criminal, I know where I'd be planning to move.
 
Last year, I was planning on visiting a friend in Boulder. Thought it might be a good idea to check in with the local deppity dawgs about their carry laws, so I emailed them, noting that open carry was legal in C-Springs.

Got a reply back from some mid-level guy. He said that open carry in Boulder was illegal, and that the city was safe (sic), so I didn't need to carry when I came up.

I answered back with "Boulder has a low crime rate, yes. Doesn't mean it's non-existent. Ask Jon-Benet Ramsey. You guys aren't responsible for my safety, I am. You can't prevent crimes, only react after they've occurred."

He answered: "I can personally guarantee that you won't be attacked. If you are, I'll buy you dinner at Outback Steakhouse."

Gee, that steak would taste great if I have to drink it 'cause my teeth have been knocked out... I didn't reply back to that last, figuring if he didn't get it, he *wouldn't* get it. I didn't go to Boulder, and I still don't. Hell, I can't even carry a Buck there.

GDMFin' flower children...

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"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it."
-- John Hay, 1872
 
An update:

Boulder city attorney & city council members are stalling (duh). Apparently, their plan has been somewhat twarted by being exposed to the light, has received enough attention to cause a rucus & they don't get to vote without public comment.

The vote is temporarily put off for the immediate future (probably so they can do a blind-side bit).

Called NRA grassroots this AM attempting to get name/s for a local friendly legal-beagle. Was given a couple names who "are ceratinly most interested in the blah, blah."

When contacting another "friend of the fight (call him Bob)," he told me that the 1st name (call him Steve) had pointedly told Bob that he (Steve) "would let the locals take care of it." $#!+, Steve lives in Boulder! & this is one of the "most interested" recommended by the NRA.

Friends like this, who needs the antis?

Dave Kopel (a Boulder local) is supposedly (this from Good Guy Bob) in the fight & will be feeding us info so we can work this as effectively as possible.

Apparently, Longmont tried a very similar thread about 3.5 years back (the same dead of night tactics) & when the council meeting was SRO, they dropped it like a hot potato.

One thing to note. If we come out in force as much as do the antis, these attacks ono our freedoms will not stand.
 
Best things about Boulder:
Celestial Seasonings Tea, Soldier of Fortune, the Flatirons, breakfast at the Hotel Boulderado, the Mall, the pretty Girls, The relaxed atmosphere, mountain lions that kill deer, poodles and tree joggers are cool too.

bad things about Boulder:
no smoking ordinaces, overpriced lodging and coffee, bicycle traffic, agressive panhandlers,PHISH heads and other types that don't bathe, and apparently inept cops that can't make a case on affluent white people but can and do harrass teens, but i digress.

This action is NOT about Columbine.. its YET ANOTHER attempt to get rid of /close/hurt/embarrass Soldier of Fortune and Paladin Press. Sue the lawmakers for violating the state constitution.

Boulder not only houses a migrant population of students, it also has a lot of conservative farmers and laborers and nieghborly folks, not everyone is a free loving hippy in a microbus.

Folks, Boulder is NOT that bad, its a nice place in many ways. The folks who live there have a right to make and pass thier own laws and ordinances.. if your underwear are REALLY in a bunch over this then I suggest we get on the phone to the governer and remind WHY all firearms laws in the state need to be universal.. NOONE wants to be arrested for making the mistake of crossing the border into the people's republic of Boulder, or denver, or jeffco. . or wherever. We need toremind Gov. Owens that he promised us concealed carry and statewide firearms reforms to strike down ordinances like Denver's.

Think I'll go pour myself another cup of Red Zinger AND read some Soldier of Fortune.

Dr.Rob
 
labgrade--

You wrote, "...when the council meeting was SRO..."

Sorry, it's a slow (mental) day for me. What's "SRO"?
 
My understanding is that a few months back Boulder had proposed a city ordinance legalizing marijuana, which if passed, would have, in conjunction with the no-smoking ordinance, made it a crime to smoke cigarettes in public, but not pot.
 
Longmont tried to ban "assault weapons" a few years ago. I got a call from a guy, John Pfeutze (feetzee), who is the Bircher type out of Denver and he wanted to know what it was all about. It turns out that they had "noted" the agenda in the Saturday paper (Times-Call) at the end of the article dedicated to that purpose; an "oh-by-the-way".

John FAXed me his list of friendlies for a one-time use and I spent my Sunday calling perfect strangers asking them to show up at Tuesday night's city council meeting.

In the mean time, I called my state rep Bill Swenson and asked him about this. He stated that he had gotten a copy of the proposal from the author. I asked if I could have a copy and he told me to "come on down".

I made copies of the thing and sent one to Steve Schriener of Gun Owners of Colorado and he asked me to also send one to another guy I had never heard of. I didn't see any problem with that so I did. It turned out that he is the publisher of "Soldier of Fortune" magazine out of Boulder.

Tuesday rolls around and the chamber fills up with 75+ people who all want to speak to this issue. The mayor states that this issue is not yet proposed but is only up for discussion. There is no draft of this legislation, just a thought.

When it is my time to speak, I first hand a copy of the proposal I got from Rep. Swenson to the secretary to pass to the mayor. She seemed to get taller in her seat as she emptied her bowels at being handed the written draft proposal -- a draft proposal she knew nothing about. It seems that the author had colluded with the city attorney and police chief to draft this thing which may have violated some sunshine laws. They actually got a draft of the Denver "assault weapons" law and changed it to Longmont with a few new gems thrown in. None of the other council members knew anything about this either. They also seemed a bit miffed at the fact that a physical copy of the draft proposal was being circulated while the council was in session denying its existence.

There was only one person who spoke for the proposal, an elderly woman. The meeting started at 7PM and the vote on the proposal, to proceed or not, was taken at 9:40PM having been held up by the public commentary.

The vote was 8-1 against, the author being the only "for" vote.

The meeting was recessed and during that time I saw Bill Swenson's wife having a heated discussion with the author. She then came up to me and told me he was upset that Bill had let the thing out of his control and it was for his eyes only. He had not actually stated this, he just felt that Bill would know this clairvoiantly. She asked if I could get the copies back but it was already too late. I did go in and request that the secretary recover the copy I had given the mayor.

Winning is SO exhilarating!

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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.

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