Bore Snake Stuck in the Barrel

Here's the story of how I did this.

I usually always clean this particular rifle, a very high end custom-built AR-15, very meticulously and with great care using a bore guide, a brush, and other assorted specialty cleaning tools. For whatever idiotic dumb**** reason I can't recall, I decided to run a bore snake through it to see how well it would clean. I used a .223 Bore Snake, and tried to pull the snake through the barrel completely. No dice. The Bore Snake has a hand loop on the end which was designed to stop at the breech, and then be pulled back out using the hand loop. I, unfortunately, forgot this bit of detail. I normally only use a bore snake on my cheap .22's, and in those, it is not possible for the hand loop to get pulled into the barrel. Unfortunately for me, the .223 has a larger case and the chamber is large enough for the handle to get caught in.

I pulled it into the chamber, and then stared at it confused when it wouldn't pull any further. About that time, I realize what had occurred, and decided to try and get the hand loop back out of the chamber to pull the snake out. At the time, I had no tools to accomplish this, and I failed horribly. I decided to try and pull the snake from the muzzle end, to no avail. I had about 2 feet of snake hanging out the muzzle, so I tied it around a post, and pulled as hard as I could. Too my dismay, and shock, the bore snake broke off inside the barrel rather than pulling through, and all that accomplished was pulling the snake further into the barrel.

I asked a friend for advice, and did what he suggested. He suggested I soak the snake in penetrating oil by pouring it into the chamber until it began dripping out the other end. This took about 4 days of soaking to accomplish. Once that was complete, I did Step 2 of his plan which was to tap the snake with a rod from the muzzle end until it came out the chamber end. Stupidly, I got these instructions reversed in my head and I tapped from the chamber end instead. I managed over the course of hours, to get the snake to move about 6" further into the barrel. Once I couldn't get it to move any further, I decided to revisit the friends instructions, and realized I had been tapping from the wrong end. I then proceeded to tap the snake from the other end, and it moved about 6" into the barrel, but hasn't moved any closer to the chamber end. I now have about 5" of snake, compacted and stuck halfway into the 16" barrel from both ends.

At this point, I went to the gun show, bought hemostats, jags, specialty tools, and talked to every gunsmith at the show for suggestions. Every single one of them suggested doing exactly what my friend suggested, but did the :eek: face when I told them what I had done so far to try and remove the snake. At that point, to a man, they all said take it to a gun smith.

So that's when I posted this thread, out of frustration, but in looking at a lot of the options, I'm stuck. Chemically removing the nylon is a poor idea, so no dice there as it can harm the metal. I have thought about burning it out, but I haven't thought of a way to heat the barrel, without risking affecting the finish on it. At this point, I have found a reputable gunsmith, and I'm taking it to him this afternoon for a quote.

Hopefully he can fix it, if not, I'm out a barrel I can't replace because they aren't made any longer. All because I tried to take a lazy mans shortcut with a damn boresnake. Let this be a lesson to some of you out there, don't take shortcuts, and damn sure don't do it with your most prized weapon...

-SS :(
 
Just dropped it off at the gunsmith. He said $35 and it'd be ready in a week. He doesn't think it'll be too difficult to remove, but if it is he'll double the price.

I expect to pay double, but $70 is still far cheaper than I figured it would be.

Should have just done this to start with...I've spent 3x that on tools trying to fix it myself.

-SS
 
Darkgael has the right solution:

Exactly what he said makes the most sense. I might make one extra suggestion. On the brass rod, attach a .22 caliber brass cleaning jag to help push the Bore Snake out (no damage to the end of your brass rod this way). Gently start tapping the rod and increase pressure on the tapping until it comes out. Best of luck......
 
Call me crazy but I can't justify paying anyone to do any service other than surgery (for minor stuff like stitches or staples I do myself unless on left hand/arm then I make mrs.hogdogs help me)... Small diameter long (4 inch or better) brass screw and a dent puller...
Or any other of numerous tricks up my sleeve...
Brent
 
You do realize everytime you reverse the direction of that boresnake your ruining the bore because the brass bristles are "biting" into the barrel. Bore snakes are meant to be pulled completely through, loop end and all. Never ever stop a brass brush and reverse the direction, even on a cleaning rod. Go all the way through.
 
gunsmith

Sky: When it is ready and you go to pick it up, please ask the smith how he got the snake out. We'd (probably) all like to know. I would for sure.
Pete
 
You do realize everytime you reverse the direction of that boresnake your ruining the bore because the brass bristles are "biting" into the barrel.

You're definitely going to have to work HARDER, because you're trying to reverse the direction of the brush (ie. bending the bristles back against themselves), but "ruining the bore" is ludicrous; for that to happen, the bronze wires making up the brush would have to be harder than the steel barrel, which simply isn't going to happen, any more than if you had a piece of marshmallow stuck in the barrel.
 
SDC, run a borescope up a barrel someone reversed a brush on and look at the "pits" the brush left. You definition of a ruined barrel might be different than mine. Sure the gun will still shoot, but it sure isn't something I'd recommend doing. I'd whoop some ass if someone did that to my Bartlein.
 
Once again, you're not going to make a "pit" in a barrel with a brush made of a softer material than the barrel is made of, any more than you're going to drill a hole in a receiver with a drill made out of a green bean. You may end up smearing lubricant or left-over jacket material around (making it APPEAR to be a pit), but that's a far, far cry from either "pitting" or "ruining" a barrel.
 
Does anyone really think that a brush of any kind is going to bite into the bore? Really, you shoot a hard object (jacketed bullet) out of the barrel at 3000 fps. You think a brush is going to hurt it? REALLY!
 
It may make fine scratches but I honestly dont see how its going to effect accuracy. At the same time I wouldnt make a habit of reversing the brush in mid barrel
 
If the barrel is >16" cut it down to 16". If it is 16, get a AR pistol lower and cut it to 7.5". Cut carefully to ensure you don't also cut through the bore snake.
 
The Bore Snake has a hand loop on the end which was designed to stop at the breech, and then be pulled back out using the hand loop.

This is the part that keeps confusing me. This is not the way any bore snake I have ever seen works. Of course, I may not have seen them all...
 
Yes seems like a conflict with reversing directions and turning the bristles on one hand and the ideal the snake is directional, it goes in one end and out the other, then there is the loop. I can not say I have ever seen one, I have seen barrels being cleaned with what looked like dusters, I did not ask because I was not curious.. As I said I make my own version of a bore snake, it is imposable (for me) to get it stuck.

Pounding with the ideal nothing dynamic is going on. If an object is stuck and pounding does not move the object consider the stuck object when pounded is upsetting (expanding), in the rest of the world this expanding and pounding would increase the diameter of the hole (bore), except guns, guns have an exemption? to abuse. After all a bullet traveling down the barrel does the barrel no harm, how could pounding harm it.

F. Guffey
 
Have seen several threads concerning bore snakes that were stuck in barrels. Don't ever recall seeing the outcome or solution to getting one out. Would appreciate it if Sky could post what the gunsmith used to remove the snake from the barrel - assuming it was eventually removed.
 
This thread reminds me of a 3 Stooges skit. People can come up with more Rube Goldberg ways to accomplish something easy than I thought possible. I think gunsmiths ought to charge more for their work.
 
Davlandum

Yeah, this makes no sense. "Boresnake" brand bore snakes get pulled all the way though the bore. In one end, out the other. None of them have a looped handle which will pull through the bore. I have 5 or 6 of them, the ends are spliced into a loop, and go right through no problem.
 
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