Harry Bonar
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bore cleaner
Guys
I just like the smell of Hoppes.
Harry B.
Guys
I just like the smell of Hoppes.
Harry B.
Bore cleaners....ammonia vs. non-ammonia
- Thread starter BBush
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Pure ammonia can also be obtained in gas cylinders as 'anhydrous ammonia'.
It is used as a fertilizer by farmers, and also in making methamphetamine.
It is very dangerous if not handled carefully, since breathing it allows it to dissolve in the liquid in you lungs and destroy the lung tissue.
It can also destroy you cornea if it gets in your eyes.
The cornea turns opaque and the only treatment is a corneal transplant.
It is used in older 'blue line' processes to make drawings, but the large plotters and copiers have made it pretty obsolete.
It would be effective at copper removal but is just to dangerous to handle.
Sweets reportedly is about 5% ammonia.
It is used as a fertilizer by farmers, and also in making methamphetamine.
It is very dangerous if not handled carefully, since breathing it allows it to dissolve in the liquid in you lungs and destroy the lung tissue.
It can also destroy you cornea if it gets in your eyes.
The cornea turns opaque and the only treatment is a corneal transplant.
It is used in older 'blue line' processes to make drawings, but the large plotters and copiers have made it pretty obsolete.
It would be effective at copper removal but is just to dangerous to handle.
Sweets reportedly is about 5% ammonia.
Hey brickeyee ....
Well that pretty much talks me out of EVER trying that for copper fouling.
And I ain't even gonna ask about
Think I will stick to the stinky stuff I get from Ace Hardware. If I get a big snort on accident it is a little uncomfortable but I won't have to have my lungs or eyeballs replaced anytime soon....
Well that pretty much talks me out of EVER trying that for copper fouling.
And I ain't even gonna ask about
....
Think I will stick to the stinky stuff I get from Ace Hardware. If I get a big snort on accident it is a little uncomfortable but I won't have to have my lungs or eyeballs replaced anytime soon....
Cloudy Cornea ....
And here I thought I was going blind from reading all this good information on the Firing Line Forums.
But Noooooooooo
It is from cleaning my handguns!
Bummer. What's a shooter to do?
Looks like I got to re-think some things.
Well it is decided .... No more reading! I sure as heck ain't giving up shooting! Even if it causes me to go blind.
But then what to do?
I will have brickeyee replace my corneas and start all over again!
I love modern day technology!
brickeyee Seriously .... Thanks for the Warning! One can't be to careful with chemicals.
And here I thought I was going blind from reading all this good information on the Firing Line Forums.
But Noooooooooo
It is from cleaning my handguns!
Bummer. What's a shooter to do?
Looks like I got to re-think some things.
Well it is decided .... No more reading! I sure as heck ain't giving up shooting! Even if it causes me to go blind.
But then what to do?
I will have brickeyee replace my corneas and start all over again!
I love modern day technology!
brickeyee Seriously .... Thanks for the Warning! One can't be to careful with chemicals.
BS Bull S**t
MS More of the Same
PhD Piled higher and Deeper
General practitioner: Knows less and less about more and more till finally they know nothing about everything.
Specialist: Knows more and more about less and less till finally they know everything about nothing.
have you ever seen the plastic 'mushrooms' on rebar at a construction site?
Ever wondered what happened to folks when they fell or jumped onto the rebar before OSHA required those?
We cut the rebar off and took it and the patient to the ER.
Luckily it did not hit anything terribly important on the way through.
MS More of the Same
PhD Piled higher and Deeper
General practitioner: Knows less and less about more and more till finally they know nothing about everything.
Specialist: Knows more and more about less and less till finally they know everything about nothing.
have you ever seen the plastic 'mushrooms' on rebar at a construction site?
Ever wondered what happened to folks when they fell or jumped onto the rebar before OSHA required those?
We cut the rebar off and took it and the patient to the ER.
Luckily it did not hit anything terribly important on the way through.
The Lovemaster
New member
Funny you mention OSHA. I read an op-ed co-authored by Robert Crandall (ex-CEO of American Airlines) that the FAA and many other agencies (OSHA being one) have actually not improved safety. Example - FAA got wood for American and forced it to cancel thousands of MD-80 flights, thus forcing many people to take cars on a trip originally planned for planes. Driving being much more dangerous than flying, the FAA actually made things less safe.
Regarding the mushroom caps, have you ever actually seen anyone trip and fall onto a rebar? Not me, not in 22 years in this here bidness.
Count me among the guys who like the smell of Hoppe's No. 9. Heck it's so sexy, I even turn myself on!
Now back to the topic. Sorry.
Scott
Regarding the mushroom caps, have you ever actually seen anyone trip and fall onto a rebar? Not me, not in 22 years in this here bidness.
Count me among the guys who like the smell of Hoppe's No. 9. Heck it's so sexy, I even turn myself on!
Now back to the topic. Sorry.
Scott
"Example - FAA got wood for American and forced it to cancel thousands of MD-80 flights, thus forcing many people to take cars on a trip originally planned for planes. Driving being much more dangerous than flying, the FAA actually made things less safe."
The back story is that the FAA gave American months to perform the inspections.
American just did not get around to the work, and when congress starting breathing down the FAAs back they told American to get the checks done NOW.
"Regarding the mushroom caps, have you ever actually seen anyone trip and fall onto a rebar? Not me, not in 22 years in this here bidness."
The story I have above is true.
A worker jumped/fell from one deck of a building to another and impaled himself on a piece of #4 rebar.
It entered in the perineum and exited in the lower back.
Tore up the intestine pretty bad, but missed all the major blood vessels.
We arrived to the guy just standing there unable to get himself off the rebar since it extended about 3 feet above his head.
I saw a couple other smaller impalements also, usually a forearm or hand.
The back story is that the FAA gave American months to perform the inspections.
American just did not get around to the work, and when congress starting breathing down the FAAs back they told American to get the checks done NOW.
"Regarding the mushroom caps, have you ever actually seen anyone trip and fall onto a rebar? Not me, not in 22 years in this here bidness."
The story I have above is true.
A worker jumped/fell from one deck of a building to another and impaled himself on a piece of #4 rebar.
It entered in the perineum and exited in the lower back.
Tore up the intestine pretty bad, but missed all the major blood vessels.
We arrived to the guy just standing there unable to get himself off the rebar since it extended about 3 feet above his head.
I saw a couple other smaller impalements also, usually a forearm or hand.
I had occasion, some years ago, to get a .308 case stuck in a Redding die. None of the conventional removal methods worked. The casehead got seriously torn up when trying to use the drill and tap and puller method. With nothing left to get hold of, I put in in a jar with ACE ammonia. after several months it finally dissolved the case. However, the steel was discolored reddish and left with an activated matte surface that got surface rust easily. It never quite cleaned up.
So, it is possible to damage steel with strong enough ammonia, though it takes a long time. Using it with a rust inhibitor would be a good idea. You could mix it with a little of one of the water-soluble coolant oils sold for machining. Even a water soluble radiator lubricant might work? Use the ACE ammonia instead of half of the water it is normally diluted with. Despite the slow action on the steel, if you clean a bore with it, I would recommend you put some Flitz on a patch and lightly polish the bore after using it to prevent after-rust. The barrel steel is a lot softer and its grain structure is easier to attack chemically than steel is. For myself, I will continue using the newer water-base non-ammonia cleaners with rust inhibitors. They work a lot faster.
So, it is possible to damage steel with strong enough ammonia, though it takes a long time. Using it with a rust inhibitor would be a good idea. You could mix it with a little of one of the water-soluble coolant oils sold for machining. Even a water soluble radiator lubricant might work? Use the ACE ammonia instead of half of the water it is normally diluted with. Despite the slow action on the steel, if you clean a bore with it, I would recommend you put some Flitz on a patch and lightly polish the bore after using it to prevent after-rust. The barrel steel is a lot softer and its grain structure is easier to attack chemically than steel is. For myself, I will continue using the newer water-base non-ammonia cleaners with rust inhibitors. They work a lot faster.