bangbangshootshoot
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Been looking at the Bond Arms double barrel derringer with interchangeable barrels. Anyone own one and is worth the $$ or just a curio to own? Thanks and looking forward to any comments.
Bond Arms derringer
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I almost bought one also, but in the end couldn't justify the price. I do like the 45LC/410 though, for snakes and such. Not enough bang for the buck though.
I almost bought one also, but in the end couldn't justify the price. I do like the 45LC/410 though, for snakes and such. Not enough bang for the buck though.
Chuckusaret
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I have a Snake Slayer IV. I got mine as a conversation piece and I do CC it sometimes. For the same money you can get a good wheel gun or auto-loader.
bangbangshootshoot
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Thanks all, I think I'll give it a wait & be satisfied with M+P9c for the time being.
Shadi Khalil
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They are great looking and well made, no doubt about that. They are also big, heavy and have very little capacity. I guess it all depends what you want it for...
BangBang,
You a Gaffigan fan?
BangBang,
You a Gaffigan fan?
PointOneSeven
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I almost picked up the one in .410/.45lc too, but same thing. The novelty of shooting .410 shells in a pistol wasn't worth the price for me. Beautiful gun though, and sturdy as hell.
Instead I picked up a NAA mini revolver and rat shot rounds. Just as impractical and half as much $$.
Instead I picked up a NAA mini revolver and rat shot rounds. Just as impractical and half as much $$.
If you want one as a toy, a Derringer can be fun but the two that I have owned were hard to shoot and larger and heaver that a snub 38 or a pocket 380 would be. The 38 American arms also kicked harder than my 101 in 357. The shape of the grip really put all the recoil back into the pom of the hand. Also you may find that the barrels shoot to different points of impact. In short every one needs to own at least one Derringer. Good Luck Bill
Bought a Bond 45/410 derringer a while back on a whim because I got a pretty good deal on it. Shot it a few times, but with heavy 45 loads or magnum buckshot loads, it wasn't very pleasant to shoot. Plus, IIRC, the chronographed velocity of the 45s was only about 530 feet per second. While I wouldn't try to catch one with my teeth...
...with a velocity that low, even the big 45 slug isn't going to be that effective. Finally sold it for about what I paid for it.
...with a velocity that low, even the big 45 slug isn't going to be that effective. Finally sold it for about what I paid for it.Mark Milton
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I bought a used one awhile back for about $250.
Its turned out to be my favorite deep concealment gun and is the only gun I can wear comfortably in an ankle rig.
If finances were better (we just got cut down to part time) I would buy another one capable of handling .410 shells. I like to have spares of my favorite guns).
Its a lot more practical as a CCW peice than many guns I see other folks toting, like wide slide mini-glocks.
The tactical tupperware crowd likes to go on and on about "firepower" but the reality is that your worst case scenario is being mugged by two or three guys.
My job takes me to the courthouse on a regular basis and I am familiar with cops and felons and I can assure you that if you are braced by three thugs after you put a fat .45 slug into the first one, before you can cock the hammer again the other two will be running away as fast as they can, considering the crap loading down their pants and being slippery under their sneakers.
Todays crooks don't want a fight. They don't want a challenge. They just want an easy score.
Don't take my word for it. On the weekends whatch the Americas Most Outragious and Americas Dumbest Crooks shows on Tru TV (used to be court tv) they often show compilations of security cam and police dashboard camera videos.
Recently they had a whole show of convenience store robberies and attacks, some by armed thieves. Some of these automatic, rifle and shotgun toting thugs were beat off by clerks wielding mops and brooms if that tells you anything.
The smartest of the armed theives used a Dan Wesson .44 with an 8 inch barrel. The clerk was VERY COMPLIANT and I would have been too.
Its turned out to be my favorite deep concealment gun and is the only gun I can wear comfortably in an ankle rig.
If finances were better (we just got cut down to part time) I would buy another one capable of handling .410 shells. I like to have spares of my favorite guns).
Its a lot more practical as a CCW peice than many guns I see other folks toting, like wide slide mini-glocks.
The tactical tupperware crowd likes to go on and on about "firepower" but the reality is that your worst case scenario is being mugged by two or three guys.
My job takes me to the courthouse on a regular basis and I am familiar with cops and felons and I can assure you that if you are braced by three thugs after you put a fat .45 slug into the first one, before you can cock the hammer again the other two will be running away as fast as they can, considering the crap loading down their pants and being slippery under their sneakers.
Todays crooks don't want a fight. They don't want a challenge. They just want an easy score.
Don't take my word for it. On the weekends whatch the Americas Most Outragious and Americas Dumbest Crooks shows on Tru TV (used to be court tv) they often show compilations of security cam and police dashboard camera videos.
Recently they had a whole show of convenience store robberies and attacks, some by armed thieves. Some of these automatic, rifle and shotgun toting thugs were beat off by clerks wielding mops and brooms if that tells you anything.
The smartest of the armed theives used a Dan Wesson .44 with an 8 inch barrel. The clerk was VERY COMPLIANT and I would have been too.
I can easily see the point of a derringer 150 years ago. It was the tiniest hideout gun one could find back then. But now, there are other options.
I guess modern derringers sell because some just simply like 'em a lot. It's kind of funny how some new derringers are so big & heavy. It sort of defeats the original intention of derringers.
For me, though, the voluntary limiting of one's self to only 2 rounds is quite remarkable. I'd much rather have a P3AT, or even an old .32 short Iver Johnson mouse gun, than any derringer. 2 rounds seems a touch risky. I won't gamble that my shot(s) will be perfect and that all bad guys are inherent retreaters who are also completely ignorant regarding derringers' capacity limits.
I guess modern derringers sell because some just simply like 'em a lot. It's kind of funny how some new derringers are so big & heavy. It sort of defeats the original intention of derringers.
For me, though, the voluntary limiting of one's self to only 2 rounds is quite remarkable. I'd much rather have a P3AT, or even an old .32 short Iver Johnson mouse gun, than any derringer. 2 rounds seems a touch risky. I won't gamble that my shot(s) will be perfect and that all bad guys are inherent retreaters who are also completely ignorant regarding derringers' capacity limits.
Glenn E. Meyer
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Since when? This is our old argument about being prepared for the modal incident or worrying about the Extremes or Black Swan show.
You might at a lower probability be involved in a rampage. Then, a little more firepower might be useful. So choose what risk you plan for.
That's the 'tactical tupperware' argument.
I seriously considered a derringer, given how they're often quite compact, but their disadvantages I think really make them more of something that could be a fun toy, but not good for anything else. People have already noted their 2-round capacity as a limitation, but to compound that problem is that they're often wildly inaccurate. I figure, if you're gonna have a gun that's not quite accurate, at least get one with the good enough ammo capacity to give you a few more chances to hit the mark.
I've been looking at them. At first I thought I wanted the Texas Defender (has trigger guard, Texas Cowboy does not) chambered in maybe .357/.38 The more I looked I am leaning more towards the Snake Slayer (bigger grip, 1/2" longer barrel) but not the Snake Slayer IV, which is even bigger.
Right now I'm thinking of it not so much as a pistol, but a small, double-barreled shotgun in my pocket, loaded with .410 shells.
FYI, the only guy in town that has them is Gander Mountain, and they want $50 ABOVE MSRP. Others can order it, and come well under MSRP, a difference of about $100. (MSRP $399 TD, $449 SS).
Well it's on my wanted list, until I either find the money, or until the urge passes!
They are beautiful, well-made, and strong as Texas! Nothing flimsy at all.
Right now I'm thinking of it not so much as a pistol, but a small, double-barreled shotgun in my pocket, loaded with .410 shells.
FYI, the only guy in town that has them is Gander Mountain, and they want $50 ABOVE MSRP. Others can order it, and come well under MSRP, a difference of about $100. (MSRP $399 TD, $449 SS).
Well it's on my wanted list, until I either find the money, or until the urge passes!
They are beautiful, well-made, and strong as Texas! Nothing flimsy at all.
Dfariswheel
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I have some questions about just how effective one of these would be as a defense gun if used with .410 shot.
My brother in law bought one for a snake gun while fishing.
His son shot it with shot at a target pinned to a section of plywood.
He was 10 feet away and had shot bounce back and hit him, without injury.
Most of the shot failed to penetrate the 3/4" plywood.
Both said that the gun was very uncomfortable to shoot.
This makes me wonder if a .410 shot shell out of this short of a barrel is going to be a valid self-defense combo.
Many users claim that "It'll blow a great big, gaping bloody hole" in an attacker.
There a difference between a "gapping big hole", and one that actually penetrates to sufficient depths to stop someone.
My brother in law bought one for a snake gun while fishing.
His son shot it with shot at a target pinned to a section of plywood.
He was 10 feet away and had shot bounce back and hit him, without injury.
Most of the shot failed to penetrate the 3/4" plywood.
Both said that the gun was very uncomfortable to shoot.
This makes me wonder if a .410 shot shell out of this short of a barrel is going to be a valid self-defense combo.
Many users claim that "It'll blow a great big, gaping bloody hole" in an attacker.
There a difference between a "gapping big hole", and one that actually penetrates to sufficient depths to stop someone.
Well, that certainly depends on the determination and nerve of the attacker. I would think most attackers would realize, "Hey, I've just been shot" they don't know exactly what they've been shot with, nor the extent of the damage, that is, they don't know whether it's an injury then can walk to the ER with, or if it's one that gives them mere minutes left to live, so they'll realize the more pressing concern would be to get the wound taken care of and give up before another wound is inflicted, rather than carry on with an attempted crime. Even a largely superficial wound is liable to be lethal if not properly and promptly treated.
Of course, there may be those who by natural or chemical means, would be less fazed by a scary-looking yet largely superficial wound, I think such people are much fewer and farther between.
But, a pocket pistol could achieve the same compactness as a derringer, with a greater ammo capacity, greater accuracy, in a package that's more comfortable to shoot, so I'd think that would be a better choice if you're more worried about bad people rather than snakes.
Of course, there may be those who by natural or chemical means, would be less fazed by a scary-looking yet largely superficial wound, I think such people are much fewer and farther between.
But, a pocket pistol could achieve the same compactness as a derringer, with a greater ammo capacity, greater accuracy, in a package that's more comfortable to shoot, so I'd think that would be a better choice if you're more worried about bad people rather than snakes.
Some keep .410 in one barrel, and .45 long Colt in the other. If the first doesn't stop the bg, the second one will. At least that's the opinion I see in some of the reviews. You can, I have read, cycle the action to know which cylinder will fire next, and load accordingly. The same author thought this would be ideal for car-jacking, because the threat is very close, and during the opening of the door by the (armed) car-jacker, the driver would have time to draw and fire. They even sell a holster designed for driving.
If I buy one, I'm almost thinking of it in addition to my normal carry.
If I buy one, I'm almost thinking of it in addition to my normal carry.
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