Blaze Orange vs Chartreuse Yellow

It works !!!

Today while going home from the store, I ran into a "Vintage" group riding on three-wheeled motor cycles. To my surprised, this forum thread came to mind as eight out of ten riders, were wearing light jackets or vests, in "Chartreuse". They stood out surprisingly well. I'm also seeing ,more ball caps in this color. I guess bikinis might be next ..... ;)

Be Safe !!!
 
Funny thing, I was just reflecting on this today.

Once while hunting in some pretty dense woods, early in the season, I spotted my son-in-law some distance away by his fairly new blue Levi's.

Bob Wright
 
Being in the fire academy I had to get a rescue knife. My choice was a blaze orange benchmade. Why? Say I drop it while doing search and rescue, or maybe running. It will be much easier to find.
 
Anyone who is color blind should seriously consider not involving themselves in hunting. I know I might get contrasting opinions on that statement but I just think its wise. In any event people who are color blind usually have gotten used to the condition and know how to work around it. If the red light isnt red to them they still know they are required to stop.
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On the other hand, all they have to do is to be sure that the target is a deer, it was one they wanted to shoot, and to take aim just behind the shoulder...a deers shoulder does not look anything like a human's. To me, at least, there is no way I would make the mistake of taking a human for a deer or the other way around. I you dressed in a deer costume and I was hunting deer, you would be perfectly safe. Color blindness would not excuse such "mistakes" especially if they knew that they were color-blind.
 
They are starting to listen; perhaps ??

Being in the fire academy I had to get a rescue knife. My choice was a blaze orange benchmade. Why? Say I drop it while doing search and rescue, or maybe running. It will be much easier to find
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This is a good point that I have been trying to hammer into my grandkids heads. When I take them to GS's I most often let them pick out a hunting knife. I made it their choice and my warnings were ignored as they picked out the full camo patterns. You drop these in the woods or shallow water and it's gone. The last time, one picked a Blaze-Orange camo pattern. ..... ;)

Be Safe !!!
 
@Pahoo

Sounds like they are starting to lean in the right direction, and have a good grand dad to learn from. Oh yes losing knives is easy and possible! I have recently lost my other benchmade knife while working a part time job at the soccer fields. It is somewhere in the middle of a soccer field. I must have filled our John Deere gator 3 different times that day in efforts to find it. It was solid black with stainless blade. Impossible to find.
 
I do health and safety for my company; years ago all personal safety vests were switched from orange to chartreuse. The reason we were given was "drivers associate blaze orange with traffic cones, and other traffic barriers. Drivers are willing to make occasional contact with cones, etc."

Statistically, accidents frequently occur when a driver mistakes a stationary worker in high vis orange for a road barrier. Drivers allow larger "buffers" when they think other people are vulnerable.
Ever slow down passing a jogger, cyclist, mommy with stroller?
Ever slow down for a single safety cone?
 
The green color your referencing is called "Safety Lime Yellow." There was a study in the 1970's and 80's of visibility-related fire vehicle accidents. This also included field trials of safety lime yellow vehicles versus red vehicles. The results were that visibility-related, multiple vehicle accidents were more than 3x greater with red vehicles than the safety lime yellow vehicles.

Now the question is - why? The reason is quite simple. The normal human eye is most sensitive in daylight to the color of light at approximately 555 nanometers - that corresponds to safety lime yellow. The color appears brighter to your eye than any other color making it easier to see.

Before we get the "What about people that are color blind" questioning - the statistics are that approximately 8% of males are color blind and 0.5% of females - meaning for 8.5% of the population, the safety lime yellow color may not be perceived as being the brightest color. Statistically, the color works for 9 out of 10 people.
 
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Actually that would work out to be 4.25%... 8% of males is 8% of roughly 50%... .5% of females is .5% of roughly 50%... in this case you average not add. Which I realize actually strengthens your point.

Put another way, 8% of males is about 4% of total, and .5% of females is about .25% of total, making it 4.25% of total
 
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tually that would work out to be 4.25%... 8% of males is 8% of roughly 50%... .5% of females is .5% of roughly 50%... in this case you average not add. Which I realize actually strengthens your point.

Put another way, 8% of males is about 4% of total, and .5% of females is about .25% of total, making it 4.25% of total
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You are absolutely correct - I did not look at it from a statistics standpoint. The 2010 census sex ratio is 49.2% male, 50.8 percent female - I'm not sure how to account for transgender...which would affect the male/female color blind accuracy - since we're apparently picking nits on this one...
 
I have never met anyone who was color blind or who had admitted such to me. In any event those who are color blind probably have learned ways around it. For example, the red light. If the light isnt red to them they still know its time to stop. They have learned to look for clues beyond the color itself I can surmise.
 
Most forms of color blindness are X-linked recessives and that's why more males are color blind. Interestingly females can be more color sensitive than males even in the normal color perceiving population. Some might even be tetrachromatic as compared to trichromatic and have better wavelength discrimination.

That's fairly new in the literature and not fully worked out.

Most mammals outside of the primates have crappy color vision. The old world primates have the best but some new world females monkeys have decent color vision.

If you look at nonmammals you can find great color vision in some.

It's been evolutionary traced. Mammals lost good color vision and it re-evolved in the primates (us).
 
I don't get one point here

OP you still have not elaborated on the need for safety clothing in range training. Are you implying that all participants in range training should be wearing safety colored clothing?
 
I would say its very helpful for rangemasters at rifle ranges so they can clearly spot everyone. Eventually you have to go downrange to get the target and on that occasion you want to be clearly seen. At a pistol range it may not be that necessary, but its still good to stand out clearly to everyone. The rangemaster above all should be highly visible.
 
Rifle Ranges

I have very limited experience at formal rifle ranges perhaps your knowledge base here is different than mine. I do have experience with pistol training both professional and recreational. All the times I have shot a rifle at a range with others whomever needed to go down range would announce that fact to everyone and get acknowledgement from everyone prior to doing so. Once that person was safely behind the line they would announce that fact and everyone could go on about their business.

In carbine or shotgun classes I would imagine that it would be handled the same as it is in a pistol class. No one leaves the line until the range master says so.

In any case it can't hurt. I just feel that if we are relying on safety colored clothing to keep us safe at the range we have missed a few fail safes along the way. It takes no extra effort to throw on a safety vest or colored shirt so if it helps it helps.
 
Anyone who is color blind should seriously consider not involving themselves in hunting.
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I am colorblind. A brightly colored vest or hat might not seem as bright as a person with normal color vision would see it, but neither is anything else I see. So it is still a massive contrast and noticeable. Being red/green colorblind (dont remember which technical name for it) Yellow does stand out best, but orange is still bright. On the other hand when I was a VW technician and I had to find the blue wire with the red tracer in a 4 inch thick bundle or wires...well lets just say I didn't like dealing with electrical issues.
 
The main safety at any range is the range safety officer or the rangemaster. At more organized professional or military ranges there is always one and this person is in charge of your safety. If you are shooting at less organized ranges which lack one then you should appoint one of your friends as the rangemaster and make sure to read up on the range protocols.

It sounds like you are shooting without anyone in charge of safety and with loose protocols. While this might be the fun way to do things, its not safe. One non shooting person should be tasked with supervising the range and who will give commands on movement and when to shoot. I wouldnt rely on simply telling your buddies you are going down range but making sure there is an established protocol. There is always that one guy who isnt listening so thats why you have a rangemaster and strict protocols...
 
red/green colorblind (dont remember which technical name for it)
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There are several types of red/green color blindess based on whether the medium or long wave cone is missing, leaving the other to pair with the short wave cone. There are also forms where all three cones are present but the pigments in one or more of them can have a different spectral sensitivity function than normal. This leads to decreased color sensitivity.

If you want techy stuff - the wiki entries will explain it. Tests can determine the specific type.
 
Everyone is in charge of safety

It sounds like you are shooting without anyone in charge of safety and with loose protocols.
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Everyone I shoot with is in charge of safety. We all check with each other before doing anything. There are only a handful of us and we all know what is happening.

Like I said usually we do pistol drills and in that situation we are drilling each other. Each person comes up with a task and he or she leads that part of the exercise.

Regards, GMB
 
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