Black powder Store - Ideas?

Smokin' gun

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I was advised to post this from suggestions from a previous thread in this catagory. I'm not here to endorse or sell our products but to get good info from all of you that know and have a passion/knowledge and experience with mostly cap and ball revolvers. We have a lot of antiques, curios hunting etc. But I want to get an interest going on these guns! So far the cheaper brass frames like the Piettas Reb Confederate and similar types (but not the higher end ones) are selling...but no one seems to want to buy the good ones here in S.C. They like looking at them----I won't go any further yet but I'm the only store around that has a variety of these percussion revolvers in a display case. Please offer advice if you want to.:} Billy Hardy
 
1. C&B revolver shooting is often associated with muzzle loading clubs. If there are any local BP clubs, make contact with members and ask if you can refer people to them to help out both their club and your business. It serves a mutualistic purpose. Promoting a muzzle loading club also promotes your business. Help them and the chances are that they will help you.

2. If no muzzle loading clubs exist in your area, consider starting one. It doesn't cost much to become affililiated with the NMLRA. It doesn't take many people to start a club. They can then began to pool their efforts and resources to find and/or lease a place to shoot while meeting at the houses of members or at a sponsoring business.
I've seen hunting clubs get off the ground that way, and there are creative ways for new clubs to raise money and begin having activities and making their presence known in the neighboring communities.
Even if there are only regular gun clubs in your area, if there are C&B shooters who are members of those clubs, why not ask them if they would be willing to help introduce new shooters to the sport. Why not ask them if there's anything that you can do to help them in exchange for introducing others to the activity?

3. I know of a defunct muzzle loading shop owner that was also involved in organizing shooting events on his private property for the muzzle loading club that he was a member of as well as for members of the general public that wanted to participate. Of course participation fees were collected to pay for prizes and expenses like targets. And because he also had a shop on the premises he sold powder, ammunition and supplies.
He had plate racks and metal silohuettes, turkey shoots and also held .22lr single action revolver shoots.
It helps if someone in the community organizes and holds shooting events to create a practical use and demand for the type of shooting and the guns that are being promoted.
Many folks don't know how to shoot C&B pistols, don't have a reason to shoot or buy them, and don't want to shoot them alone or learn to all by themselves. If an individual or club organizes events then people would be more inclined to participate and invest money in black powder guns.

4. A business owner can promote a knowledge base about the C&B sport and everything that's involved with shooting them.
Providing people with reading material, like copies of related magazine articles or a list of websites relating to BP and C&B shooting will increase the chances that some people will learn and research about the sport further on their own and will even consider taking up the activity soley as individuals.
For instance, a majority of smokeless shooters aren't aware of conversion cylinders and cowboy action type shooting events. It might be growing sport in some geographic areas and among some shooters, but not universally where there isn't much exposure, or promotion of events.
Even inviting individuals to come and shoot your own personal guns can spark an interest in individuals to take up the activity.
That's how it was for every shooting activity that I became involved with over the years. When that invitation doesn't occur, then sometimes interest can be sparked on line, but that requires more initiative on the part of the previously uninterested indivdual. Whereas a personal invite can arouse interest simply on the basis of personal contact.
People often respond to a stimulus. But that still requires stimulation of some kind, and someone to provide it.
You stimulated this thread, so maybe you can stimulate some individuals in your local area too. :)
 
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Thanks,

I'm selling them as cheap as I can. Got to put a few bucks in my pock though. I don't like the Pietta model 1851 Navy 44 Lawmaker. Since I'm just learning(but I guess I knew just enough to get in trouble lol)--this Pietta is a tough one to break down!! It's so tight it might as well be glued together. It appears that the reb 36 confederate in the wooden box is what these boys like ( actually this is a Gunnison remake and for the price it appears, feels and action is excellent. I know it's a brass frame and so many of you say this is crap- but... I'd rather handle that one as far as the 44 Pietta steel Navy . I like the 36 c Uberties. I do have 1, 2 and 3 colts---but I kinda want to keep um. I have um pricy:)

As far as supplies--- Ballestol and Shenandoah bore solvent is popular. i have some "Dam Good Gun Oil" but I don't like it. Anyone had experience with this?
 
And Articap, thanks for your input. We do have manuals etc...and just getting out the word on blackpowder to re-enactment regiments. The battle of Cowpens plus other Revolutionary war battles were fought here. So, we do have that goin' but they are into muskets--bayonets etc. And the curios and antiques are keeping the store holding it's on---but the cap and ball revolvers are different. I'm gonna stimulate these guys and gals on these damn guns because it is a big time challenge! Thanks for the advice. Keep giving it!:) Billy
 
I would--but I didn't want to do selling on this thread. I am working on a website though. Seriously-I'm just doing this for fun and talkin to people who know more than me about c/b revolvers. And by the way---T 17 breach plug grease is good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Not talking about their bore solvent etc. It comes in a little tube. You can buy it at Wall Mart.
 
One of the problems when I first got interested in BP was finding a place to shoot. Can't shoot indoors and many outdoor clubs don't like BP. I finally found a public range that I found through a local dealer where I've bought BP supplies. He had flyers copied and laying out. If it hadn't been for that, I wouldn't be buying guns and supplies.

So, maybe, you could find out where BPer's shoot, make up a flyer, get some contact names, try to start a club (or get someone else to do it), and create a little excitement about it.

You could also focus on the historical aspects of the BP sport. I initially got interested because I wanted to experience what it felt like to shoot the same kind of weapons my great-grandfather and great-uncle used in the Confederate cavalry. Look up the locations and local chapters ("camps") for the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV) in your area, and go to a monthly meeting and make a presentation. These guys are not typically re-enactors but have a keen interest in Civil War history. They could make good customers for you.
 
Smokin' Gun, some people will want new unfired guns in the box, others mostly seasoned shooters or shooters who are jus' frugle will eyeball and buy a used Gun more quickly...most of these type buyers know their way around as a kitchen table gunsmith. About 88% of the the people in these forums are of that nature.
I went into a local gunshop owned by a guy I used to work with...left two Colt 1860 Army .44's nickel/gold plated faux ivory griped Piettas behind the glass sold the pair in 3 days for $500...the next week my ASM Engraved nickel/Gold .44 1858 NMA Rem sold for $375 in 2 days...these were the only C&B Guns in the store... Sometimes Gunbroker deals can be profitable for resale if the antee isn't upped to high. I've sold a few in the last 3 mo. by print or word of mouth.
All depends on the price for what is available when it comes to sales...in a word some variety...differances capture the eye...jus' like on these here forums.
 
How about having a special deal and putting together a little "starter kit" of accessories for anyone who buys a particular gun that has enough profit in it for you to cover the cost of including the kit?
Then put up a little sign, [Your choice of] "Balls, caps, wads [or] Bore Butter [or] nipple wrench [or] powder measure included with purchase."
Or just include one simple little item like an inexpensive loading stand i.e. - "Free loading stand with purchase". :)

Most folks say that they really like these stands.
And save some money by making them yourself!
Come on, show a little bit of love! :D

http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=A1308
 
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Do you sell stuff for blackpowder cannons? Leather? gun smith tools? You need something to "grab" them so they will come in the door.
 
We have two places in the local area that sell black powder firearms in addition to modern firearms. Each day I notice that the black powder supply aisles dwindling. The two biggest reasons I get from the store owners are interest and red tape.

The interest isn't there. People are not buying the basic firearms. So the sales are mainly the curious shopper or one-timer. And this buyer typically goes for the cheapest thing on the block. Or they are buying a wall hanger--not the curio--the shiny engraved one. So they are having to keep a large selection on hand in order to sell one. With folks turning to the internet or clubs to make their second-hand purchases, the store owner has little chance to compete. So work on that web site.

But to me, the real reason businesses around here are struggling is the red tape. We do not have even one local seller who will to take the time or money to meet all the federal and state requirements to sell real black powder. In fact, we have only one shop in all of Oregon, that I am aware of, that sell black powder. So we have to get use to the substitutes. But the store owners frustration with the government wears off on the customer. If they don't carry the supplies, and supplies are hard to come by, it is hard to advance beyond the curious shopper.

We have a few re-enactment groups in the area. And maybe they will be able to spark some interest. But with the expense, I see it a lot like reloading shotgun shells. In today's throw away, mass produce mentality, it is cheaper to buy 12 and 20 gauge new than to reload them. But with the other, less popular, gauges it saves money. Today it is cheaper to buy the modern pistols and revolvers. Their shells are readily available and they are easier to clean and care for. But for the odd person, there is nothing like the smell of smoke and the mess of cleaning wads.

I have found working with the young Boy Scouts that you can create an interest there. I have a group who knew nothing of black powder before we started, but today enjoy shooting black powder. You may want to look into becoming a Merit Badge Counselor. Work with the next generation of consumers. You may not sell many firearms directly. But an interest may be started and you will be the first place they turn. Also, look into hunting groups.

Best of luck.
 
Arcticap, Go to WWW.sassnet.com, look for affiliated clubs and see if you have some CAS clubs in your area. The cap and ball revolvers are becoming more popular in CAS. Might be a source for sales.
 
Got a father's day special going this week thru Sat. muzzleloading season starts in Oct---Then Christmas. After that---I don't know. you're right, expensive c/b revolvers don't sell. I have them new starting at 179---I can't sell them any cheaper. Real Black powder requires licenses-a much higher insurance and a special vault. That is probably why it is getting harder to find. I don't sell it because it won't recap all the investment and red tape. Billy
 
Here's a good question for you 88%

I have an original 1849 pocket. There is an excessive gap between barrel and cyilnder but it cocks if you lift it upwards where the cylinder falls to the hammer hand. I noticed the barrel frame that fits to the frame is irregular and if you stoned on filed that part --the cylinder would fit snugger. Is this a good idea or just leave it alone to sell for antique purposes.

Also, the brass trigger guard is exposing in a few worn areas what I think is silver. I might be wrong. I think brass frame guns in the day had a higher content of copper which made them stronger. The new ones probbly have a weaker mix to copper.

I like that 1849 but don't won't to bugger it up---or would you mill it>?
 
Is this a good idea or just leave it alone to sell for antique purposes.

If you wanna keep it's originality as an Antique, I'd leave it alone... is you still want to make it shoot I can ask a Gunsmith in Ohio if he'd face bacvk the frame for you...i had him do that to my first Centaure Beglium 1960/1860 Colt Army. He went thru it to include closing the gap for me...it looks like the old Colt that it is but is all anewed inside tha tighenrd up like new.

Here's something I have posted on my BPR Site on Voy.com/ go over and see further info on it. Thought you might want them for your Store...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Are 4 Sale/RonLongs.jpg
 
Looks good-how much? Now remember we got rent/pwer etc so get your heart right. Thanks a bunch. I love my 2nd gen colts but the baby dragoon NIB I'd probally sell less and happier than the rest,
 
What is a 2nd generation(No bells or whistles) baby dragoon nib w/atttached papers worth? Wait a minute---not what you would pay but just offering it to the public in my shop? I got a bunch of other stuff like that but I've found they are getting harder and harder to find on the net. Am I not right!?
 
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