Birthright citizenship...good, bad, or ugly?
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DonR101395
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O k n i c e a n d slooooowwww, if they are here illegally everything they do is illegal. Of course there is no "driving while illegal alien" it's called driving without a license which is illegal, if they used forged documents to get a license they have committed two crimes; besides crossing illegal. I typed that very slow so as not to confuse you.
No kidding, I guess you've lost your sense of sarcasm. That compromise makes about as much sense as your plan. I wish you could see that.
I'll give you a break when you give me one
Amazing how you haven't picked up on me repeatedly stating my point of view on anchor kids. There are two ways to get here legally in my perfect utopia 1. You're born of at least one U.S. citizen 2. You go through the naturalization process.
BTW: I also don't see Americans sneaking across the boarder to Mexico for superior health care and to have their kids born Mexican citizens. Happy
JuanCarlos
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Hey, as long as the illegal immigrants are married, have sex in the missionary position, and keep the lights off they should be fine.
What about "eating a ham sandwich while illegal?"
Also, could you provide a link to the relevant statutes that make it clear that all actions taken by an illegal alien are illegal? Or is this just your opinion? If you can, I may actually admit that I'm wrong...who knows!
But until you do, you may want to not talk to me like a child...I'm not the intellectual midget who made a pisspoor analogy and is now desperate to defend it by insulting the person who pointed that out.
DonR101395
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Juan, I never feel as though you're a mental midget. We've "argued" enough to know that neither of us are. We have very different views of the world. I'll stand by my analogy. As far as statutes go, most states require a birth certificate and/or social security card or immigration paperwork proving you're eligable to obtain a driver's license and file a W4 to work. If those documents are forged or stolen the license is invalid as well as the work illegal. That would make the payment for work illegally gotten and the drive to work illegal as well. They work for cash "under the table" once again illegal. Since they can't legally drive or work, how can anything else they do be legal? I haven't heard of one case of an independently wealthy person with a chauffeur on a work visa sneaking across the boarder. I could be wrong though.
I'll admit I'm not a 100% correct and call a truce if you agree also. Then we can fix gun control
JuanCarlos
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See, and I'm pretty sure that while property obtained through illegal action/income can be confiscated, that still doesn't make every action taken by somebody utilizing illegal income illegal. For instance, if I deal drugs for a living and use that income to buy a ham sandwich I'm pretty sure that the act of eating that ham sandwich is not suddenly illegal. It does mean that the cops can come in, take away my ham sandwich, and send me to prison to eat a ham sandwich provided by the government that's sure to be of much lower quality.
This gets especially complicated when the "person" in question is a fetus or baby, completely unable to make any choice of where their source of nutrition and shelter comes from. Because again, I separate the child and the child's actions (or lack thereof) from the parents. This may or may not come from having a parent (who was a natural citizen whose European roots go back to the 19th century) who I'm none too proud of, and whose actions I'd really not want to reflect at all on me.
Fair enough...I'll agree that you're not 100% correct.
Kidding, of course...I've been wrong more than enough times to know that claiming to be 100% correct is a sure way to look foolish later.
Of course, I still stand by my assessment of that analogy. But at least it wasn't a car analogy. I really hate car analogies.
This gets especially complicated when the "person" in question is a fetus or baby, completely unable to make any choice of where their source of nutrition and shelter comes from. Because again, I separate the child and the child's actions (or lack thereof) from the parents. This may or may not come from having a parent (who was a natural citizen whose European roots go back to the 19th century) who I'm none too proud of, and whose actions I'd really not want to reflect at all on me.
I'll admit I'm not a 100% correct and call a truce if you agree also. Then we can fix gun control
Fair enough...I'll agree that you're not 100% correct.
Kidding, of course...I've been wrong more than enough times to know that claiming to be 100% correct is a sure way to look foolish later.
Of course, I still stand by my assessment of that analogy. But at least it wasn't a car analogy. I really hate car analogies.
DonR101395
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Touche
Same here
Thanks for the ammo
JuanCarlos
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Why yes, the tax revenue system does. Very good. I'm failing to see how this is any different from babies/children born to low-income citizens, who generally have all the same issues and whose parents generally contribute about as much to the tax revenue system.
I'm also failing to see how this problem is still, you know, a problem if the baby is either put up for adoption and/or taken back to Mexico (or wherever) until age of majority.
I also suspect that if simply having a baby here wouldn't be effective at keeping the parent(s) here (which my suggestion would achieve), we'd probably have less such babies anyway...but I could be wrong.
glock glockler
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better we spend incarcerating the 12 million miscreants for $35000.00+ per head
Nah, why would I want to incarcerate an illegal when I can just send them home? We can just deduct the cost from what we give that country in foreign aid
Nah, why would I want to incarcerate an illegal when I can just send them home? We can just deduct the cost from what we give that country in foreign aid
That's the national average, got it from a 20/20 report on why American schools suck
That would almost be a good rebuttal if I had even implied anything about incarcerating anybody
Control the borders and you have no need for mass arrests
Which would explain why I also advocate massive welfare reform in this country
If we stop giving handouts to the less motivated they will stop expecting them, it's the whole bootstrap thing
And if we stopped giving welfare wenches a raise every time the dropped another one we would see a reduction
If we started holding father's responsible for the upkeep of their offspring we would see a reduction
If we forced people to take responsibility for their own genitalia we would see a reduction of a lot of things.
But the bottom line is they are Americans their ancestors paid the price to allow them to be leaches on society, if we don't force them to repay that debt then we are at fault
If we allow our society to be burdened by more freeloaders on the system we are equally wrong
Non porous border should not be that difficult to comprehend
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JuanCarlos
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And anybody born in this country (and under its jurisdiction) is a citizen.