Bird Flu spreading---

I agree Bravo. Ppl talk about how they will take their gun with them to shower because of the chance that someone will attack you. (And seriously, if your male, what are the chance of that?)

But when it comes to flu that is historically shown to mutate to H-H transmission, people joke about washing their hands more.

I think its time to re evaluate our preperations for threats and look at odds of other things that a firearm would not help in. Avian flu is a good example.

I think having a place where you can bug out and self sustain away from human contact is a good idea.
 
I knew someday my fondness for shotguns and shooting birds would come in handy.

Can someone post a pic of this here Flu Bird? :D

Humm...I may have to come out of semi retirement and start giving shotgun lessons again...

Flu Bird Eradication Training This could work.

If you build it - they will come :D

Yeah well just my luck there will be a whole new crisis next week to instill fear and panic, all in the name of .gov control and gonna take care of folks.
 
Yeah well just my luck there will be a whole new crisis next week to instill fear and panic, all in the name of .gov control and gonna take care of folks.
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Perhaps, and what will happen then? Will it be dissmissed with the same condesending tones that this topic seems to have generated? As long as people that question things can be labeled "conspiracy theorist" that "gov control" already exist.
 
But when it comes to flu that is historically shown to mutate to H-H transmission, people joke about washing their hands more.
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OK. We joke about getting run over crossing the street, also. But it IS a real statistical possibility.

So let's get serious. Let's ASS-ume that there is the existence of a non-existent human plague flu, winging its way toward our shores. What will YOU do other than maintain proper hygiene and avoid unnecessary human interaction?

There we go. Subject done........

Unless, of course, you wish to talk TEOTWAWKI stuff; or the fact that YOU want .gov to control, by force of arms, those YOU don't trust to be equally responsible. But then, of course, you'd have no place on a Personal Freedoms Board which recognizes that ALL our freedoms come at the expense of letting those less responsible enjoy the same Freedoms.....unless of course you wish to twist Brady Center logic into a venue other than firearms: "I've no problem with responsible American citizens; but, in an age of readily accessible flu viruses, we need 'reasonable' controls over the people that will not act responsibly. Call out the US Military, as the President has requested. Times have fundamentally changed since the Constitution was written."

Personally, I'll take my chances with the responsibility of my fellow Americans over the responsibility of a government, local and federal, which gave us such wonders of safety as the SuperDom....any day; any time. Life is dangerous. Get over it and prepare.
Rich
 
Personally, I'll take my chances with the responsibility of my fellow Americans over the responsibility of a government, local and federal, which gave us such wonders of safety as the SuperDom....any day; any time. Life is dangerous. Get over it and prepare.
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I tire of the Panic Mode the media instills in folks. Negative sells. I get fed up with this and I don't even have a TV. I didn't replace my '79 model 13" when I dropped it and it broke, I used it mainly for Educational tapes with a VCR or movies.

Not a conspiracy theorist per se', still it does "seem" as times .gov uses the media to promote /or makes no effort to silence panic. History shows Tryanny uses states of flux to get people dependent on Govermint.

When I took Micro Biology, I had a PhD that was great. He raised horses. He was a country boy.

First Rule - Don't put fingers in mouth.
Second Rule - Anything one puts in their mouth or on their skin - they can become allergic to.

We got into a few of the things that have crossed barriers from animal to human. At that time his concern was Monkey Pox. Honestly it made a lot of sense how this could easily occur. I have not kept up with it.

Mad Cow disease. Simply put by him, the public really does NOT know what the Gov't is or is not doing out in Plum Island. Nor do we know to what extent the problem is, if so any "allowable levels" to be considered safe to humans.

His point being, one has to reasearch other sources, compare, and make informed decisions for themselves - not trust an Agency to be end-all do-all right information source.

I got into medical stuff for a bit. In the Main OR the concerns of Hep B was greater than HIV.

WE had all the stuff for OUR safety to insure patient Safety. Patient Safety is # 1.

Guess what the #1 thing we did to insure these safety measures?

Hand washing.

Sure we had all the surgical soaps with betadine and you name it. Special scrub sinks, humm a song to scrub long enough...

Test question. "What is responsible for removing germs from hands?"

-Hot water
-Soap
-Anti microbial soap
-Scrub soap
-Brisk rubbing of hands.

The answer is - Brisk rubbing of hands, friction.

Now the Gov't suggested we all buy duct tape and plastic sheathing - recall the panic, fear in folks, especially the elderly ones?

In the OR I had two real concerns,1)MRSA patients , 2) getting nicked by a hot knife or similar, with MRSA patient, or Hep B.

I took precautions. Forget the Hospital rules and such. I knew the nasties on these.

Upstairs or other Hosptials doing rotations, I wore the yellow jacket , face masks and gloves when seeing an infectious patient. I did it for me, for the patient, and other patients I would see next.

Flu. Wash hands, , leave water running and use paper towel to turn off. Use kerchiefs to open doors, cover mouth and nose when around suspicious folks. Rest, eat well.

I mean I do not think most of here on TFL need to be told simple things, to research for ourselves, and be prepared for emergencies.

I doubt many folks bought duct tape and plastic sheeting...unless they were going to buy it anyway for home improvements anyway...like painting, sheetrock work, or asbestos removal.
 
Unless, of course, you wish to talk TEOTWAWKI stuff; or the fact that YOU want .gov to control, by force of arms, those YOU don't trust to be equally responsible. But then, of course, you'd have no place on a Personal Freedoms Board which recognizes that ALL our freedoms come at the expense of letting those less responsible enjoy the same Freedoms.....unless of course you wish to twist Brady Center logic into a venue other than firearms: "I've no problem with responsible American citizens; but, in an age of readily accessible flu viruses, we need 'reasonable' controls over the people that will not act responsibly. Call out the US Military, as the President has requested. Times have fundamentally changed since the Constitution was written."
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If this was directed at me I cannot see how you can construe this from my statement that you quoted. Finding a secluded, safe, self sustaining (for a period of time) place can be tough work especially if you aren't living out in the rural areas.

I would like all to know that the views stated above are not my views.
 
Himmler-
No it was not directed at you, per se. It was directed at an increasingly alarmed segment of the population, one short step away from bleating the War Cry of Tyranny, "Somebody [other than me] has to DO something!"
Rich
 
The bird flu is a real possibility at some point in the future, but it's not so pressing that we should spend time worrying about it. It'll take about five additional mutations in the H5N1 before it can theoretically become as deadly as the 1918 Spanish (avian) flu. The mutations won't happen all at once, and with worldwide monitoring of infectious diseases, we'll be aware of any contagion before it becomes a pandemic. Of course, there's always the possibility of the avian flu spontaneously mutating to full blown human to human transmission, just like there's a possibility of being struck by lighting several times during a lifetime. :p

Looking at the bigger picture in terms of decades and centuries instead of just right now, disasters *will* strike periodically, whether it's earthquakes/hurricanes, pandemic illnesses, wild fires, crop blights, or droughts. On another level, ever nation or society will also experience war, major economic depressions, and cyclic shifts in moral values over time. All you can really do is be aware of the long- and intermediate-term trends and know what to do if the S ever does HTF.

Don't get me wrong -- when/if the avian flu does mutate sufficiently, it'll be pretty serious. It could well cull part of entire generation, like the 1918 Spanish flu and the bubonic plague of the 1350s+; or it could be less serious like the Hong Kong flu of 1968 (H3N2) with 34k US deaths, Asian flu of 1957 (H2N2) with 70k US deaths, or the seven cholera pandemics over the last 200 years. Or another viral bug may appear that eclipses the avian flu.

Still, there's not much to do but stick to the basics -- learn what you can about everything, maintain health and hygiene, develop self sufficiency, etc.
 
Nice how the "hype of the week" helps us forget our real problems.

Nonetheless, I call upon all decent people to begin a preemptive strike by killing all pigeons. Those nasty flying rats carry up to 16 diseases in their feces and they aim for people too.:mad:
 
"Struck by lightning a record seven times...

US Park Ranger Roy C. Sullivan from Virginia holds the record for the person most times struck by lightning - and living to tell the tale. Between 1942 and 1983, Roy has the dubious distinction of being struck by lightning seven times. He was known as the Human Lightning Rod."

John
 
If it was just the media, I would agree with some of you. But there are FAR too many specialists in the field that seriously believe we could be facing a massive pandemic. They happen. History is littered with them.

It seems at LEAST prudent to plan for the possibility.

Maybe you worry more when you have children. My two little ones were the first thing I thought of when I heard it discussed on Science Friday. The little kids and the elderly are the ones most likely to die. That thought would scare most parents above everything else.

Like somebody else already said, it's not hard to believe that the virus could mutate to being an airborne and H-H virus. If it does, we could be in really serious trouble. Modern transportation.... outbreaks everywhere. And that's the one time I COULD see the military being used. Think of The Stand. If the flu broke out in Atlanta, the US government might very well try to quarantine the city. And that means ringing the city with troops. Nobody in and nobody out. Yes, that would be a bad thing. The only problem is the alternative is worse.

I sincerely hope the naysayers are right. The alternative is too scary to think about.

Gregg
 
If the flu broke out in Atlanta, the US government might very well try to quarantine the city.
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The stuff that Hollywood is made of. If a flu "breaks out" in Atlanta, by the time the first case is symptomatic and diagnosed, that virus will have been spread to every major population center in the nation. "Ringing" Atlanta with Federal troops would be ineffective to say the least.
Rich
 
If they burned Atlanta this time they would destoy the secret formula for Coca-Cola.... :eek:

burn Washington DC first I say, everything inside the beltway.
 
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