reynolds357
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Binary triggers are quite popular.
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Binary Trigger . . . really?
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berettaprofessor
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AR's seem to be the primary platform for the binary triggers, though mention has been made of their use in Ruger 10/22s
That's because Frankfort Arsenal makes binaries for the AR15, Ruger 9 PC and 10/22 binary triggers. And who owns a PC9 anyhoo?
Double Naught Spy
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Binary triggers are quite popular.
I figure they are like shoulder holsters, but as noted in previous posts, not really.
reynolds357
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Over half the AR owners I know own a binary trigger. I know the ones who don't own any guns "because they all got stole" own a few binaries each.I figure they are like shoulder holsters, but as noted in previous posts, not really.
Aguila Blanca
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With all due respect, that's an anecdotal and meaningless statistic.reynolds357 said:Over half the AR owners I know own a binary trigger. I know the ones who don't own any guns "because they all got stole" own a few binaries each.
I can counter by saying that none of the AR owners I know own a binary trigger. So we're even. But neither of us has mentioned a number, so it's totally meaningless.
reynolds357
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You missed my point. Most binary trigger owners don't talk about them. They paid cash for them. No one knows they have them. They want to keep it that way.With all due respect, that's an anecdotal and meaningless statistic.
I can counter by saying that none of the AR owners I know own a binary trigger. So we're even. But neither of us has mentioned a number, so it's totally meaningless.
I know over 30 AR owners who admit to having them.
Double Naught Spy
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Wait, are you saying these are really popular but folks don't talk about them? There is quite the contradiction there. That sounds a whole lot more like the shoulder holster example where a bunch of people bought them thinking they would be really cool and that didn't turn out to be case and not they sit quietly in drawers and nobody talks about them.
I did some checking and I know at least 16 guys who own shoulder holsters...and only the two cops ever wear them.
I did some checking and I know at least 16 guys who own shoulder holsters...and only the two cops ever wear them.
A very interesting statement. I believe you, so don't take the following questions as skepticism--that's not what I'm getting at. I think that the answers will provide more useful information.I know over 30 AR owners who admit to having them.
How many total people do you know who own ARs?
How do you know them?
How do you know that they have binary triggers since it's apparently unusual for binary trigger owners to admit to owning them?
reynolds357
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Probably 80 who own them.A very interesting statement. I believe you, so don't take the following questions as skepticism--that's not what I'm getting at. I think that the answers will provide more useful information.
How many total people do you know who own ARs?
How do you know them?
How do you know that they have binary triggers since it's apparently unusual for binary trigger owners to admit to owning them?
Shot with a lot of them when in L.E. know many from the gun club. Church, neighbors.
A few enjoy shooting the binary triggers. I don't think it's unusual for Binary triggers to admit owning them. Most don't talk about them and don't want people they don't know well enough to trust to know they have them.
Double Naught Spy
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LOL, here is a great video of a guy assessing accuracy with a binary trigger. Shot #2 is a negligent discharge, a not so uncommon issue with binary triggers, particularly early on in ownership, but happens later as well to folks.
This is John of Whisper Tactical, FFL, validating accuracy at a whopping 10 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcDm6kEFBXc
This is John of Whisper Tactical, FFL, validating accuracy at a whopping 10 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcDm6kEFBXc
reynolds357
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And how accurate is a m-16 on full auto? M 4 on 3 shot burst? Full auto, or any attempt at simulating it, is not about accuracy; it's about laying down cover fire or saturating an area with bullets.LOL, here is a great video of a guy assessing accuracy with a binary trigger. Shot #2 is a negligent discharge, a not so uncommon issue with binary triggers, particularly early on in ownership, but happens later as well to folks.
This is John of Whisper Tactical, FFL, validating accuracy at a whopping 10 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcDm6kEFBXc
Double Naught Spy
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And how accurate is a m-16 on full auto? M 4 on 3 shot burst? Full auto, or any attempt at simulating it, is not about accuracy; it's about laying down cover fire or saturating an area with bullets.
LOL, that is your take away, not the ND or the silliness of testing at 10 yards?
I have two; one on a Heat pistol build and the other is a 20” NM with LPVO.
Why? Because machine guns are expensive and binary triggers can be fun. I sort of want to get one of the FRT triggers… but one of the three position ones. Any semi-auto… I want a traditional semi-auto position. If I get that and a “fun” third position… more fun.
Is it something I need? Absolutely not… but it has been argued that I don’t need an AR, correct?
For safety, all guns in peoples hands that don’t respect them are dangerous. Standard Fostech triggers, negligence discharges are actually difficult. It isn’t just boom on pull and boom on release. After the first shot, you have to pull more weight to then release/get the second boom. First time, you’ll probably just do singles… pull… then pull hard/release. I didn’t like it in my pistol, so I upgraded the spring to make the “second pull” less heavy. Awesome splits after that.
For not wanting the second shot, hold the trigger down and swipe the safety to semi or safe. Either one will cancel the second shot. Is it instinctive? I’ll agree it isn’t… but it is a different system that you’d have learn. I had to learn the LEM trigger when I got hired with CBP. I learned 1911s. I’ve learned decockers. While I don’t train on binary triggers, I do qualify on M4A1s. I know that the third position is something that requires more attention… and to be fair, I rarely use it in either setup. To me, if I had to use a binary trigger AR for defense… it would be the same rare instance that I’d flip to that third position.
My truck gun (11.5” AR pistol) and any of the guns I would toss into as a secondary longer (suppressed 9mm AR or TAC-14)… all regular triggers. Zero issue with them. But I don’t like people telling me what I should/shouldn’t have, either.
Why? Because machine guns are expensive and binary triggers can be fun. I sort of want to get one of the FRT triggers… but one of the three position ones. Any semi-auto… I want a traditional semi-auto position. If I get that and a “fun” third position… more fun.
Is it something I need? Absolutely not… but it has been argued that I don’t need an AR, correct?
For safety, all guns in peoples hands that don’t respect them are dangerous. Standard Fostech triggers, negligence discharges are actually difficult. It isn’t just boom on pull and boom on release. After the first shot, you have to pull more weight to then release/get the second boom. First time, you’ll probably just do singles… pull… then pull hard/release. I didn’t like it in my pistol, so I upgraded the spring to make the “second pull” less heavy. Awesome splits after that.
For not wanting the second shot, hold the trigger down and swipe the safety to semi or safe. Either one will cancel the second shot. Is it instinctive? I’ll agree it isn’t… but it is a different system that you’d have learn. I had to learn the LEM trigger when I got hired with CBP. I learned 1911s. I’ve learned decockers. While I don’t train on binary triggers, I do qualify on M4A1s. I know that the third position is something that requires more attention… and to be fair, I rarely use it in either setup. To me, if I had to use a binary trigger AR for defense… it would be the same rare instance that I’d flip to that third position.
My truck gun (11.5” AR pistol) and any of the guns I would toss into as a secondary longer (suppressed 9mm AR or TAC-14)… all regular triggers. Zero issue with them. But I don’t like people telling me what I should/shouldn’t have, either.
But I don’t like people telling me what I should/shouldn’t have, either.
I don't mind people telling me what I should/shouldn't have, that's there opinion, and worth less to me than what I paid for it.
What I detest is people telling me what I CAN/CANNOT have, based on their BS opinions....
reynolds357
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I would probably get an infraction I told you my true "take away". The PC version is an idiot performed an idiotic test.LOL, that is your take away, not the ND or the silliness of testing at 10 yards?
Binary Triggers are fun. Not sure what your objection to them is. They are easy to use safely, and are even more "idiot-proof" than a Glock with a trigger dingus. You just need to practice with it.
In any event, if you use the trigger as intended - i.e. for 2 quick shots, the barrel stays on target and you get a solidly positioned 2nd round to the intended target. Muzzle rise with 2 shots is hardly a factor. Not any different than doing a fast double-tap, but actually easier to control.
I would have a binary trigger in 90 percent of the semi-auto pistols and rifles I own if I could. BTW, they are not legal, or questionably legal, in all 50 states.
Once I got mine installed and running perfectly, I did a few mag dumps just to see what it could do. Fun, yes, but a waste of ammo. Then, once I settled down after the not-so-cheap thrill, I really dialed into using it for 2-shots, seeing how accurate that second shot could be. THAT'S the real advantage of this trigger - easy, smooth, quick double-taps.
If you are strictly a bench-rest shooter, then this device will do nothing for you.
In any event, if you use the trigger as intended - i.e. for 2 quick shots, the barrel stays on target and you get a solidly positioned 2nd round to the intended target. Muzzle rise with 2 shots is hardly a factor. Not any different than doing a fast double-tap, but actually easier to control.
I would have a binary trigger in 90 percent of the semi-auto pistols and rifles I own if I could. BTW, they are not legal, or questionably legal, in all 50 states.
Once I got mine installed and running perfectly, I did a few mag dumps just to see what it could do. Fun, yes, but a waste of ammo. Then, once I settled down after the not-so-cheap thrill, I really dialed into using it for 2-shots, seeing how accurate that second shot could be. THAT'S the real advantage of this trigger - easy, smooth, quick double-taps.
If you are strictly a bench-rest shooter, then this device will do nothing for you.