Biggest threat to America?
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Lawyer Daggit
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I agree with TJ Hands. They categorise us as Devil worshipers. I think it is really an issue that:
1. they cannot control us- and as an instrument of social control, organised religions don't like us
Because we believe in God rather than the trinity and as such a a Muslim or Jew can be a freemason- we are perceived as a threat
1. they cannot control us- and as an instrument of social control, organised religions don't like us
Because we believe in God rather than the trinity and as such a a Muslim or Jew can be a freemason- we are perceived as a threat
Yes, there should be separation of chruch and state, even though it's not even in the Constitution. You know, it's a "living document" you know.
And as for the Mason's, I have no clue what they do, that is between them and God.
Biggest threat, ourselves. We allow and refuse to stand up against any government wrong doing, we cower and allow people, in America and in the World, to step all over us, tell us what to do.
We sit here and bitch about this, and that, and then send money to various groups to prove that we are "serious" about doing something. Yet we take one step forward, and two steps back at every turn. We are getting nowhere and they are getting somewhere, abit slower but still progressing.
We Americans in this day and age, don't have the fortitude of Americans of a past day and age. We are too comfortable in our way of life, enjoying the money that we are allowed to keep, happy with our overpriced houses sitting in the middle of a complex of more overpriced houses, with a local communial board telling us what we can, and cannot do, in these overpriced houses.
Not only are we allowing the governments, state and federal, to run our lives but now allowing our employers to do the same. You can't smoke or you'll get fired. You can't be fat or you'll be fired, and we have allowed the courts to side with these employers and thus, the employer dictating what you do when not at work is now lawful. (see FLA and MI about these)
It's not the government, it's not the senate or the judges, it's us. We, as a People, will destroy America, we're just allowing the government and all it's branches to help us along with this destruction. They, it seems, are quite happy to help us along, as long as they get theirs and get voted back into office.
I would give my solution to this problem but it's not something to be posted on the boards and actually goes against the board rules. So, I will not, out of respect to the owner and the staff.
Wayne
And as for the Mason's, I have no clue what they do, that is between them and God.
Biggest threat, ourselves. We allow and refuse to stand up against any government wrong doing, we cower and allow people, in America and in the World, to step all over us, tell us what to do.
We sit here and bitch about this, and that, and then send money to various groups to prove that we are "serious" about doing something. Yet we take one step forward, and two steps back at every turn. We are getting nowhere and they are getting somewhere, abit slower but still progressing.
We Americans in this day and age, don't have the fortitude of Americans of a past day and age. We are too comfortable in our way of life, enjoying the money that we are allowed to keep, happy with our overpriced houses sitting in the middle of a complex of more overpriced houses, with a local communial board telling us what we can, and cannot do, in these overpriced houses.
Not only are we allowing the governments, state and federal, to run our lives but now allowing our employers to do the same. You can't smoke or you'll get fired. You can't be fat or you'll be fired, and we have allowed the courts to side with these employers and thus, the employer dictating what you do when not at work is now lawful. (see FLA and MI about these)
It's not the government, it's not the senate or the judges, it's us. We, as a People, will destroy America, we're just allowing the government and all it's branches to help us along with this destruction. They, it seems, are quite happy to help us along, as long as they get theirs and get voted back into office.
I would give my solution to this problem but it's not something to be posted on the boards and actually goes against the board rules. So, I will not, out of respect to the owner and the staff.
Wayne
novus collectus
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As far as I know, no one has said that it was "in the consitution". It was stated that the "founding fathers wanted a seperation between church and state". The statement was made in response to the claim that since the country was founded by Christians that the government should have Christian values (or something on that line).
I am not a constitutional attorney or even studied the constitution in depth, but I believe that seperation of church and state was implied. The personal writings and correspondence of the founding fathers shows that they believed in the seperation and this suggests to me that they meant the implication I see in the constitution.
Marko Kloos
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Not to get into a religious debate here, but the Jefferson phrase describes a constitutional principle. He was asked by the Danbury Baptists to clarify the intent of the First Amendment, and he chose that particular phrase to illustrate it. "Separation of powers" is a phrase that's also not found in the Constitution, but it most certainly describes a constitutional principle.
So yes, the principle of separation of church and state is found in the Constitution, namely in the First Amendment.
22-rimfire
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Family Values: I believe the biggest threat to the USA is US. Specifically, I believe the erosion of family values is one that is causing the biggest change. Years ago, having children outside of marriage was frowned-on, and now because we all want to be so polictically correct--- all of a sudden it's ok. I know, it isn't the child's fault and all that. As these children grow up, many do not have the same sense of family structure, morality, or values. This used to be a "minority" issue, but it is mainstream now.
Abortion: Another big one is abortion and the control that the courts have over "law". As I have aged, I see that abortion is nothng more than legal genocide. Yes, that is what the Pope said and I agree. It is a tough choice when you are in the circumstance where you have to choose. But, we have to bite the bullet and stand for something higher.
Feminization: The guns thing is only symptomatic of the whole problem of shifting personal responsibility to someone else and the feminization of the country. The country has been moving toward a more socialistic attitude about government and what government provides to its citizens.
Materialism: Without a doubt we as a country are too materialistic as compared to the rest of the world. Yes, most would love to be in our place. But, it creates a jealousy that permeates the world view of our country. Resource use? Savings?
Military: China. Without a doubt as our manufacturing capability and capacity is shrinking and China's is increasing, we are likely facing the same issues that England faced after their their colonial days ended. Never discount Russia.
Terrorism and Religious Zealots: Primarily an issue elsewhere, but things are changing for the worse. The FEAR that this potentially creates would rip this country apart (for a while) and destroy the economy (for awhile). We will win ultimately.
Abortion: Another big one is abortion and the control that the courts have over "law". As I have aged, I see that abortion is nothng more than legal genocide. Yes, that is what the Pope said and I agree. It is a tough choice when you are in the circumstance where you have to choose. But, we have to bite the bullet and stand for something higher.
Feminization: The guns thing is only symptomatic of the whole problem of shifting personal responsibility to someone else and the feminization of the country. The country has been moving toward a more socialistic attitude about government and what government provides to its citizens.
Materialism: Without a doubt we as a country are too materialistic as compared to the rest of the world. Yes, most would love to be in our place. But, it creates a jealousy that permeates the world view of our country. Resource use? Savings?
Military: China. Without a doubt as our manufacturing capability and capacity is shrinking and China's is increasing, we are likely facing the same issues that England faced after their their colonial days ended. Never discount Russia.
Terrorism and Religious Zealots: Primarily an issue elsewhere, but things are changing for the worse. The FEAR that this potentially creates would rip this country apart (for a while) and destroy the economy (for awhile). We will win ultimately.
Sir William
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OK. Simple. The fact that our elected government is stupid. Snail darters or humans? Which one votes? There are far too many instances where animals or the environment or a teeny blip of a country has been given more protection and consideration than the electorate. I only care about a few things. History. Stop revising it. The environment. Leave a couple of trees on either side of the oil wells and the pipelines in the ANR. Nature will take care of herself. The border. Let anyone with a skill, trade or profession in. CLUE: raking rocks and mowing grass is none of the above. Taxes. There needs to be a major revision. The rich should pay more. CLUE: $100,000.00 per annum income is NOT rich. Government price supports. If your widget isn't selling, get a clue, your widget isn't worth a fidget. Cows, grain, steel, rubber and other items are just being supported to maintain a false economy. This is like the CRP program that pays one money to sit and not plant a crop. The war on drugs. Wars have casualties. Why is it that I don't see drug dealers dead in the gutter? I consider them a threat to our nation. Terrorism. When are we going to get real? There must be thousands of new federal agents to prevent, respond to and investigate acts of terrorism. Take the money from EPA and give it to the other alphabet agencies. There are other things that frankly disturb me. The biggest? The fact that we are creating government, adding alphabet agencies, writing reports that require a forklift to obtain and printing CFRs by the truckload. Cut, reduce, reassign and auction off. We must chop the head off of this dragon called government. ST. George, slay the dragon!!
Ohio Annie
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The unwillingness of immigrants to assimilate into American culture. We have become a nation of separatists.
Biggest threat = strong central (federal) government, which by way of it's makeup is mostly nameless.
The American Revolution was easy. Eveyone blamed King George persoanlly for everything.
WWI - the Kaiser
WWII - Tojo and Hitler
Today, the government is so diverse and faceless, there isn't any one individual to hold accountable. It's also so powerful, it's become a Hydra. Cut off one head, and two take it's place.
Sad, the way I see it our only "salvation" is via our "damnation". Meaning, the only way out is for someone (in the Executive Office) to seize enough power they become a dictator or have dictatorial powers.
The American Revolution was easy. Eveyone blamed King George persoanlly for everything.
WWI - the Kaiser
WWII - Tojo and Hitler
Today, the government is so diverse and faceless, there isn't any one individual to hold accountable. It's also so powerful, it's become a Hydra. Cut off one head, and two take it's place.
Sad, the way I see it our only "salvation" is via our "damnation". Meaning, the only way out is for someone (in the Executive Office) to seize enough power they become a dictator or have dictatorial powers.
I'm very impressed by the responses here! By golly, there are some reeeeally intelligent people on this website, and it's good to see that people care enough about this country to take time to articulate their thoughts and concerns. Honestly, I think that if the rest of the country were made up of folks like those who posted on this thread, we'd be back on track.
Lazy parents, poor parenting skills, low value of the child.
I find the Mason comments funny. I am not one, but every one I knew seemed to have their ducks mostly in a row. Kinda like the mormons where all the "good Christians" at the food pantry where we volunteered would refuse to work when the mormons did. I found it odd since they seemed to have their lives together.
OK- for the American Revolution, many didn't support it. Not everybody blamed King George III. Only about a third of the populace supported the revolution, another third rode the fence, and another third were loyal. Victors write the history books though. By my math, that means that a majority of colonists didn't actively support the Revolution. That was the first edition of the revisionist plunder of History. It happened back in the 1800's.
Now- my five year old son is just dying to see what the smilies do on the right side of this screen so here's his chance:
I find the Mason comments funny. I am not one, but every one I knew seemed to have their ducks mostly in a row. Kinda like the mormons where all the "good Christians" at the food pantry where we volunteered would refuse to work when the mormons did. I found it odd since they seemed to have their lives together.
OK- for the American Revolution, many didn't support it. Not everybody blamed King George III. Only about a third of the populace supported the revolution, another third rode the fence, and another third were loyal. Victors write the history books though. By my math, that means that a majority of colonists didn't actively support the Revolution. That was the first edition of the revisionist plunder of History. It happened back in the 1800's.
Now- my five year old son is just dying to see what the smilies do on the right side of this screen so here's his chance:
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XavierBreath
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It's hard to put a finger on any one thing. I feel most of the dangers are internal. There is a sense of entitlement among many Americans. Our government takes advantage of that to get votes. We have divided ourselves down to the lowest denominator with special interests and no longer have a unity of purpose.
Our family structure has become dispersed in search of "the American dream". Without family elders close by, the productive family members have no compass for their family ship. Without that compass, there is no direction for their children. When the children have no direction, they are lost, and the ship sinks.
I have to mention lack of education as a factor, but our education institutions have been usurped by a biased view. Perhaps a better statement would be a lack of free thinking. Free thinking that is uninfluenced by academia, media, or other teachings. It is indicative of the greatness of our country when a Vietnamese immigrant can arrive on our shores with 25 cents to his name a build a sucessful business in ten years. These immigrants had no money, little education, they did not understand the culture or the legal processes. They did have a belief in America and a desire to be productive citizens. That leaves little excuse for those who do not believe in America.
There is a "me first" mentality, and a failure to appreciate what we have here. I think most Americans just don't care about their country. Most get their information and education from the media. I feel most Americans would benefit from living abroad for a year or two. We can learn from other countries. We can learn just how important what we have is, and rededicate ourselves to preserving it.
I have to agree with Handy, but I will go further and say that the biggest threat to America is ourselves.
Our family structure has become dispersed in search of "the American dream". Without family elders close by, the productive family members have no compass for their family ship. Without that compass, there is no direction for their children. When the children have no direction, they are lost, and the ship sinks.
I have to mention lack of education as a factor, but our education institutions have been usurped by a biased view. Perhaps a better statement would be a lack of free thinking. Free thinking that is uninfluenced by academia, media, or other teachings. It is indicative of the greatness of our country when a Vietnamese immigrant can arrive on our shores with 25 cents to his name a build a sucessful business in ten years. These immigrants had no money, little education, they did not understand the culture or the legal processes. They did have a belief in America and a desire to be productive citizens. That leaves little excuse for those who do not believe in America.
There is a "me first" mentality, and a failure to appreciate what we have here. I think most Americans just don't care about their country. Most get their information and education from the media. I feel most Americans would benefit from living abroad for a year or two. We can learn from other countries. We can learn just how important what we have is, and rededicate ourselves to preserving it.
I have to agree with Handy, but I will go further and say that the biggest threat to America is ourselves.
Edward429451
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It's amazing how many people think that the problem is 'out there' somewhere. I like what Wayne said and think he nailed it.
Apathy is sure a contributing factor. The welfare mentality is too. You don't have to be on welfare to have the mindset. "someone" will fix it so I can sit in my easy chair and just bide my time.
Ever notice how fast foreigners take to fighting when political upheaval enters their country? No welfare state mentality there.
Thats about as much abuse of my 1st amendment right as I should do right now. Wouldn't want to be eradicated for excercising a right. Long live the King.
Apathy is sure a contributing factor. The welfare mentality is too. You don't have to be on welfare to have the mindset. "someone" will fix it so I can sit in my easy chair and just bide my time.
Ever notice how fast foreigners take to fighting when political upheaval enters their country? No welfare state mentality there.
Thats about as much abuse of my 1st amendment right as I should do right now. Wouldn't want to be eradicated for excercising a right. Long live the King.
Unique 5.7
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Already happened.
The Civil War was so tragic and caused so many changes, I believe the America our forefathers envisioned and created was already pretty much unrecognizable over 100 years ago, by the end of the 19th century. That, in conjunction with the Industrial Revolution, which was barely in its infancy in 1776. So, I'd say progressive Republicans from the time of Lincoln through to T.R. in particular (my favourite Prez) rendered an America not envisioned by the founding forefathers with an increasingly strong federal government and regulation of many everyday activities.
IOW, America in 1859 probably resembled what was envisioned in the late 1700's to a large degree. By about 1904, I think one of those men from the late 1700's would be reading laws and seeing applications of government that he hadn't dreamed of. We had already shifted from being an agrarian to an industrial nation.
The Civil War was so tragic and caused so many changes, I believe the America our forefathers envisioned and created was already pretty much unrecognizable over 100 years ago, by the end of the 19th century. That, in conjunction with the Industrial Revolution, which was barely in its infancy in 1776. So, I'd say progressive Republicans from the time of Lincoln through to T.R. in particular (my favourite Prez) rendered an America not envisioned by the founding forefathers with an increasingly strong federal government and regulation of many everyday activities.
IOW, America in 1859 probably resembled what was envisioned in the late 1700's to a large degree. By about 1904, I think one of those men from the late 1700's would be reading laws and seeing applications of government that he hadn't dreamed of. We had already shifted from being an agrarian to an industrial nation.
Excellent thread, as an oldtimer who has worked over 45 years in civilian,
government, military jobs I have seen first hand the changing times, much
of it not good, while we have improved in technology we have lost in standards.
I would list in following order problems in my opinion.
Morals,
Apathy
Immigration control
and a big one to me greed, it comes in all forms but my biggest concern
is our large corporations, quick profits without a thought to America, what
it stands for, it's workers, quality of life over the long term, family, children,
grandparents. If we continue on importing poor educated workers while
outsourcing jobs all over the map it may mean fast profits for some but
in the distance future it will bring us down.
The answer to it all is for all Americans to get off there couch and become
interested, protest, write, use your consumer dollars to protest,
and last we need leaders that put America first. We cannot continue to
police the world while our country falls apart.
government, military jobs I have seen first hand the changing times, much
of it not good, while we have improved in technology we have lost in standards.
I would list in following order problems in my opinion.
Morals,
Apathy
Immigration control
and a big one to me greed, it comes in all forms but my biggest concern
is our large corporations, quick profits without a thought to America, what
it stands for, it's workers, quality of life over the long term, family, children,
grandparents. If we continue on importing poor educated workers while
outsourcing jobs all over the map it may mean fast profits for some but
in the distance future it will bring us down.
The answer to it all is for all Americans to get off there couch and become
interested, protest, write, use your consumer dollars to protest,
and last we need leaders that put America first. We cannot continue to
police the world while our country falls apart.