Biden bans russian ammo

JohnKSa said:
Clinton banned most Chinese ammo imports (as well as most Chinese small arms imports) over Tianenmen Square. Those bans are still in effect.

Obama banned some Russian ammo imports (and some Russian small arms imports) over the Russian actions in the Ukraine. Those bans are still in effect.

Biden has now banned any remaining Russian ammo/small arms imports that were still allowed under the Obama action.
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In all of these the US government (under a Democratic administration) reduced the supply of ammo in the US, thereby furthering their goal of making gun ownership as expensive and difficult as possible.

Whatever was the diplomatic issue of the day was used as an excuse.
 
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I don't think Wolf is going anywhere. I found this blurb on Wikipedia

"Since 2009 The Tula Cartridge Plant and Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant (owned by Tula Cartridge Works since 2005) no longer manufacture cartridges for Wolf due to legal disputes.[2] Wolf now uses new European suppliers."
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I found that too. Promising, but we are still screwed with short supplies and increased prices for a long time I’m afraid.
 
I wonder what percentage of the Russian GNP comes from ammunition export sales to the United States?? What portion of that revenue goes to the Russian Federal govt?

Somehow, I'm thinking that it can't be a very large percentage.
I gotta wonder, if the REAL reason is to punish the Russian govt why bullets? Why not caviar or oil, or some other product that actually produces enough income that removing some or all of it would matter???

I understand the idea behind import bans, and "economic sanctions", but is there anywhere in the world in the past century where, by themselves, they have actually worked and delivered the desired result???

I can't think of any.

Hasn't seemed to change Iran's policies. Didn't seem to get Saddam out of power in Iraq....how long did we have sanctions in place against South Africa? Was it sanctions alone that created changes there? I don't think so.

Fidel Castro kept control of Cuba until old age finally took him out of power, despite a nearly complete prohibition of the US buying anything from Cuba for what...40+ years???

Economic sanctions against Imperial Japan didn't work out the way we figured, either. Rather something quite different, as we learned on Dec 7 1941.

Banning US import of Russian guns and ammunition is a symbolic gesture with most likely about zero impact on world politics, and probably very low impact on the Russian economy.

What it is, is an easy (executive order) way to prohibit SOME of the guns and ammo imported into the US, without "threatening" our Second Amendment rights and igniting again the domestic gun control fight.

The people being affected and the amount of money "lost" are insignificant to world leaders, both ours and theirs. They claim this is a "foreign policy" matter, but I think we all know what it really is, behind the smoke and mirrors...
 
Time to get a new hobby...

The price of ammo in the current market already makes it so expensive just to punch holes in paper or bust some clay at the skeet range that I only go once or twice per month and now this?

I (and I suspect many others) literally can't afford the 2021 market. The price of ammo was already insane, and now the bargain ammo is going away?!

Me and some friends went to the range last month and shot about a combined total of 400 rounds of 9mm, 5.56, and 7.62x51. Afterwards we added everything up and including range fees we spent just over $350 for an hour of shooting between the 3 of us!

This isn't sustainable unless your loaded with $$$$. If the goal was to make it so expensive that people would just give up, this might have been the final nail in the coffin. I know of at least 1 collector locally who sold a bunch of stuff on GB because the firearms became so costly to take to the range he claimed it just wasn't worth it.
 
Interpretation of State Dept. language---there might be hope.
Note: I was in aviation, with no sort of legal background.

Some interesting points are made by people on other gun boards, based on the wording.

It appears that the wording ...might... only apply to any companies - new applicants - which Don't Already have the permits to import Russian ammo. :confused:

A Moderator on another gun board, among other people, pointed out that nothing states that companies "will" be denied the approval, only that they 'could' be denied, or similar words, if I understand correctly. He used words such as bureaucratic "argot", whatever that is.

Does this appear to be the situation? :confused:

The State Dept. could be using very unclear Bureaucratic language, possibly as a very vague threat to "tweak" Putin (or...restrict many US gun owners). Oil seems to bring in the vast majority of Russia's revenue - not commercial ammunition.
 
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Does this appear to be the situation?
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Negative. There are no open-ended permits. The "permit" they refer to is the Form 6, and that's done on a per-shipment basis. The order is to deny all future applications, which denies all shipments from Russian sources.

As of now, cheap Russian ammunition is a thing of the past.
 
Look at my first post on this thread.

Clinton's executive action from 1994 that halted most small arms and ammo imports from China is still in place 27 years and four presidents later.

Obama's executive action from 2014 that restricted some small arms and ammo imports from Russia is still in place 7 years and two presidents later.

It is certainly true that they might be undone by a future president. But it's also true that they can stay in place for a very long time--they can even be permanent for all practical purposes.
 
You don't know how much this angers me!...Steel case has been my life blood as far as shooting for guns I don't reload for.....Well, I still got the bayonet on my SKS :)

I have four Makarovs, a CZ82 and a Russian SKS and shoot nothing but steel in these, I have some X39 and 9X18 squirreled away but that will surely dwindle now.

I know I ain't the Lone Ranger in this. Impeach the @##&*!!!
 
I was thinking maybe Ukraine can step into the void...I'm sure the have the capability?

On second thought too, I had some Red Army Standard 9X18 that was made in Poland.
 
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Tula 7.62x39 154 gr Soft Point, which I use for plinking and hunting, is already impossible to find. I bought a case on Friday at ammunitiondepot (hasn't shipped yet) and there is no more to be found anywhere.

In just a few days, cheapest 7.62x39 has jumped from $0.37 a round for the cheapest stuff at Ammoseek on 8/20 (when I posted this OP) to $0.532 a round today 8/22.

Man, when I think I bought my first AR last November in 7.62x39 so that I could practice with a round that I could afford and also hunt with here in CO (.223 not allowed for hunting here). I feel stupid. I am thinking about going back to archery as a shooting and competition hobby and keep only the firearms that I strictly need for self defense.
 
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I am thinking about going back to archery as a shooting and competition hobby and keep only the firearms that I strictly need for self defense.
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OR you could consider taking up reloading, and using a rifle that doesn't throw the empties into the weeds for hunting deer.

OR you could consider selling the 7.62x39 AR while there is still a market and replacing it with a common deer rifle, like a .30-30 Winchester.

OR you could consider a lot of other options. Don't feel stupid because you couldn't see the future and got something that you liked because it was economical at the time but today is losing that price benefit.

I'm old enough to remember when the only 7.62x39 ammunition was whatever got smuggled out of Viet Nam by GIs on their way home, and war tropy SKS were nearly all wall hangers because of no ammo.

And I remember the fall of the Soviet Union, and how in the years afterwards the US was flooded with cheap combloc guns and ammo. Lots of people got into them then, because of the low cost. And that created a demand in the US market that kept on after the supply of cheap surplus began to dwindle, even resulting is US makers producing 7.62x39 ammo and some guns as well.
Everyone is in a different place with their personal budget, and by all means if one hobby is too expensive (or gets that way after you've been in it a while) moving to something else is a solid choice.
 
Another point that I have not seen brought up:
Tula already has a factory in Serbia.
Wolf has a factory in Ukraine.


Actually, every batch has to have its own permit. The permits take 4-6 weeks to receive approval. The ban goes into effect in 3 weeks.
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Yes and no. For ammunition, the permits are for a specified quantity.

If you get a permit for one pallet worth, shipping in 30 days, then that isn't very helpful.
But most permits are for large quantities. The specified quantity also does not have to arrive in a single container (whether boxed, palletized, or shipping containers).
And once a permit is approved, it is good for 24 months, beginning on the date of approval.

There is time.
It will end eventually.
But there is still time.
 
Interesting article by Guns and AMMO.

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/russian-ammo-imports-banned-halted/424581

So, Will the Biden Admin. Ban all imports from Russian to the US? Or just Ammo?

So if the Biden Admin. stops import of Ammuntion to the US, then someone will benefit from reduced prices. What Countries would Benefit? I mean that AMMO is going to go somewhere.

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/russia

​Imports

Russia was the United States' 20th largest supplier of goods imports in 2019.

U.S. goods imports from Russia totaled $22.3 billion in 2019, up 6.8% ($1.4 billion) from 2018, and up 22.3% from 2009.

The top import categories (2-digit HS) in 2019 were: mineral fuels ($13 billion), precious metal and stone (platinum) ($2.2 billion), iron and steel ($1.4 billion), fertilizers ($963 million), and inorganic chemicals ($763 million).

see more in link provide top
 
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I almost pulled the trigger on a case of Tula today for $460 shipped...I just couldn't do it. I'll probably regret it in a month or two.
 
The intent, the way I read it, was to hit the Russian's in the pocket book, deny them profit.
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Does the Russian government make that much off of export ammo sales? I doubt it. This ban is intended to hurt shooters in the USA, not the Russian government. If Biden wanted to hurt the Russian Government, he wouldn't have lifted the Russian pipeline ban.
 
Does the Russian government make that much off of export ammo sales? I doubt it. This ban is intended to hurt shooters in the USA, not the Russian government.
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Even as dumb as I am, that's my take-away too.
 
Arm the most, vile, racist, evil Terrorist faction on the planet. Disarm the most productive, benevolent people in the world. This is the demented insanity we find ourselves in.
 
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