Beware of Infiltrators

My goal is preservation of our Right to Keep and Bear Arms as the first step of returning to a Constitutional government.

If we believe in the same goal,
We don't have to see eye to eye
To work shoulder to shoulder.

Let's discuss our differences of opinions in a civil manner. Sometimes our opinions change, other times we simply should agree to disagree agreeably.

Severe disagreements should be settled in private, by e-mail rather than in public on TFL.

Again today we've been told that some parents are introducing their children to our RKBA by reading TFL. Our kids are our future. Let's educate them properly.

Our discussions should be appropriate to a friend's living room when the spouse and children are there. How we respect that concept shows our respect for our friends and their families.

In every conversation there should be one adult. When speaking with a troll, we must be the adult.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
Matt VDW,ROFLMAO!!! :D

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"i do believe that where there is a choice between cowardice and violence,I would advise violence" Ghandi
 
Very good discussion going, now. Even notice that what you're typing isn't what you really are trying to say? I actually got this going because I don't want the weaker members here to be swayed by one of the "infiltrators." As far as "doing my part," I usually take a new shooter out once a month, as well as teaching in the same class as Coinneach.
 
Matt:
That is a very cruel suggestion which is repugnant to a nice person like me. I would lay politics aside and recommend a 180 grain bullet and a case full of Unique.
 
Who cares if the weaker members get sucked up by the gun grabbers. We'll just get stronger members to replace them. We will only be strong if we are willing to hold our ground and defend the liberties which should never have been in question.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Dangus,
I respectfully disagree.
We need to care about every one - weaker or stronger (using whatever yardstick
you choose to employ). We need to care because many of them vote. Let’s
convince them to vote “our way”.
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All,

When people come here to voice their opinion (a right we all support, right?)
and we hurriedly react to prove we can out-shout and out-insult any other
gun owner or TFL member, we merely confirm that we are unreasoning
loudmouths.

While that might be "fun", it is merely self-serving, ego-stroking childishness
that weakens our efforts to save our RKBA.

TFL is NOT a PRO-gun forum. *

TFL is, "... a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and
advancement of responsible firearms ownership." It is a forum for
discussion of "firearms, accessories, and civil liberties issues."

Therefore, the anti-gunner should be as welcome as the RKBA advocate. As
RKBA advocates we should welcome the opportunity to "discuss and advance"
our RKBA.

The self-serving attitude of, "Oboy! Lookit me! Didja all see how I told that
dummy off, huh?" will not advance our cause!

Oh. And to those who screech it's a waste of time, don't waste your
time or mine. Move on to another thread. But do not try to force your
narrow-minded, vociferous defeatism onto those who want to try to discuss
an issue with another TFL member.

We're here for many reasons, but the one which will have the greatest effect
is not proving we are hypocrites who only permit opinions and discussions if
they agree with our views.

Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms depends on convincing as many people as
possible to select RKBA candidates, to vote them into office, and to require
officials to support our Constitution.

If you don’t want to participate in a positive manner on a thread, skip the
thread. You are not required to read or to post on every TFL thread and I
highly recommend you do not attempt to do so. I assure you, it will take more time than you have available.

Driving off people with differing views so we can prove how “big” we are does
NOT advance our RKBA at all. We need to grow up and practice what we
preach by extending to others the rights we *say* we want to preserve. Yes,
even to those whose opinions may not be totally congruent with ours.

If you’re not willing to do that, then skip the thread.

* Okay. So most of us "happen" to be pro-gun. ;)

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited July 30, 2000).]
 
I didn't say we shouldn't fight for their attention, but if they see both sides of the issue and chose the other so be it. We must not censor things just for the hope of keeping the newbies ignorant of the other side of the argument. Ignorance is our enemy.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Dangus,
Now I understand. You were responding to an earlier post.

Sorry 'bout that.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
Not all of us who are anti-NRA are also anti gun! Some of us truly believe that the NRA itself is no longer pro gun. Sure, Heston can still give a great speech, but where the rubber meets the road, the NRA has not been on our side.

I have been trying to work within the system to get pro-gun candidates on the November ballot in Utah. I worked on two campaigns. I supported two others. My wife was a delegate to the state Republican convention. We got SCREWED by the NRA which only endorsed candidates who were anti gun. The NRA also did nothing to fight an initiative drive to restrict the rights of CCW holders.

Now Leavitt can pass his pet laws restricting the rights of CCW holders. Hatch can continue to work with Kennedy to draft anti-gun legislation, while thumbing his nose at GOA for publishing his voting record. All thanks, in part, to help from the NRA.

(All through his campaign Hatch was saying, "How can you say I'm not pro gun? the NRA is endorsing me!")

It could be that some of the NRA bashing is coming from pro-gun folks who feel like they have been sold down the river.

[This message has been edited by sbryce (edited July 31, 2000).]
 
I am an NRA member and they make me sick less than 50% of the time.

The anti rights make me sick more than 50%, so I know how I am polarized.

I am pro rights.
 
hehe, I like that response. Still, there is a lot of truth to it. If the NRA can't get more serious about defending our rights, we should replace them. They talk about sending a strong message to Washington, but don't forget, now and then a strong message may need sent to them. They are in a lot of ways like a labor union, the will of the members sometimes are totally different from the will of the elected. Frankly I think it's stupid to have a president in the US, let alone the NRA. The concept of an elected king is outdated and dumb.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Welcome The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership. [/quote]

TFL isn't Pro Gun?!?!?!?

[This message has been edited by RAE (edited July 31, 2000).]
 
Originally posted by Dennis: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>TFL is, "... a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership." It is a forum for discussion of "firearms, accessories, and civil liberties issues."[/quote]What Rae said (asked)?!?!?!
 
Frontsight, I ain't an evil infiltrator I got 666 posts :)

Frontsight you started off topic once you mentioned gore.

Dennis: "Let's discuss our differences of opinions in a civil manner. Sometimes our opinions change, other times we simply should agree to disagree agreeably."

"I think Owlgore is a communist heathen! ;)Notice the capital "O"
That's civil I didn't cuss a bit.

Hey VDW, I think that 220 grain should be a barnes solid.

TFL might not be pro gun but 99% of the active members are!



[This message has been edited by oberkommando (edited July 31, 2000).]
 
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