Beware of Infiltrators

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Steve Smith

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It has occurred to myself and others on other forums that lately we've seen lots of anti-NRA and anti-Bush slamming in the General Discussion forums, mixed with a little pro-gore (note the small "g") rhetoric. The stuff typically comes from members who have very few posts. Stay the course.
 
Yeah, I agree with Frontsight....
so please don't feed the Trolls!

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
And your point is ? I own guns and endorse neither. I want to keep my gun rights, not scare off the voting majority with a bunch of kooky, old, angry white men.

Bush will lose. The only hope and most sensible choice for a Republican president would have been McCain.

Nope, thanks to the extremists who did nothing more than keep the old boys club politics moving along the same as always, I'll be driving some Ford "Eco"mobile and shooting a rubber band gun.
 
But feeding the Trolls is fun!

You see, if you feed them the truth, they shrivel up and die!

The truth is POISONOUS to trolls! :)

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
MTAA, I'm not endorsing anything here...I'm just noticing a trend. Sure, I have my opinions-I think that voting for anyone but Bush (whether you like him or not) is a vote for Gore because everything else is futile. I also believe that the NRA is the strongest pro-2A group there is, and it should be supported. However, that's not what this thread is about. It's about folks that are mainly "visitors" here, trying to sway our vote and alliances. since the other posters to this thread figured out my intent, maybe you're an infiltrator... Doesn't matter. Stay the course, brothers.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike Irwin:
But feeding the Trolls is fun!

You see, if you feed them the truth, they shrivel up and die!

The truth is POISONOUS to trolls! :)
[/quote]

Mike,
I have to admit it.....you do have a good point. :)

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
It depends on what you mean by "feed the trolls."
Do you mean flame them back, denounce their ideas and thoughts?
Or do you mean (calmly and politely)"feed" them information?
I'd have to go with the second choice. Even in the case of an obvious and obnoxious Troll, the more polite you are to them, the sooner they will get bored and go away. On the other hand, maybe they will actually read some of what you say and think about it.

If you go with the first choice and just post rude or insulting replies to "the Ms. crowd" or whatever you want to call them, you may just lose a potential ally. But, mostly I've noticed the people here are pretty patient and nice.
 
The truth shall set you free. And if the truth shall set you free, you shall be free, indeed.

Alternatively, Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own deceit.

(anyone see why this agnostic loves the Bible? ;))

or
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing they do engender strife.

Verbal/written agents provacateur tend to lose steam when no-one gets upset and relatively dry, factual information is expressed.
 
Actually, I've got to say that I agree with more than a few things that the democrats support - I figure that what a person does is their own damn business, and do not welcome the Republican/Theocrat creation of the abortion fray. It's a non-issue. If you don't want one, don't have one. That simple. Just don't stick your nose into someone else's business either. Likewise, the ol' prayer in schools thing - The kids whose parents scream for prayer in schools are hopefully praying with 'em at home, right? It's not their kids that they're concerned about. They want the OTHER kids indoctrinated in THEIR religion. As far as I'm concerned, a public/government school should be religion-neutral (note I didn't say "religion-free" - there's a difference). When the rollers took over the Republican party back in the late seventies, we lost a LOT of fence sitting voters, because, frankly, Buchannan and his ilk made them sick.

(sorry, but I don't really dig organized religion, and I've really felt pretty strongly about the whole topic ever since a few of the PTL folks bought a wee little antebellum "shack" (only a dozen or so rooms, with no attached servants' quarters) near where I grew up... then they hired folks from town to come out and process their mail for 'em... that opened a LOT of local eyes)

I see folks taking shots at everything from feminists to gays on pro-gun discussion forums, and that sickens me. Why? Because of all the votes we're alienating. And those are organized folks who definitely vote. I don't give a damn what the shooter at the next bench does in the privacy of his/her home. You'd think that feminists, gays, minority members, etc., would be very pro-self-defense, but we've REINFORCED the sterotype that every gun owner is nothing but a southern redneck klucker, and until we actively recruit these folks, we're going to be fighting a losing battle.
 
*LIBERTARIAN*

Hands-off policies, smaller government, more freedom. Personally, I'm considerably more worried (well, for me- I don't worry much) about the professional thug than the recreational drug user, gambler, or bordello visitor. I also don't care what people do, as long as they don't attack peaceable folk, such attacks to include restrictions on my and other's freedom. Gay, straight, any color or social origin, any religion or lack thereof, live a peaceful life, and welcome to the fold.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spectre:
*LIBERTARIAN*

Hands-off policies, smaller government, more freedom. Personally, I'm considerably more worried (well, for me- I don't worry much) about the professional thug than the recreational drug user, gambler, or bordello visitor. I also don't care what people do, as long as they don't attack peaceable folk, such attacks to include restrictions on my and other's freedom. Gay, straight, any color or social origin, any religion or lack thereof, live a peaceful life, and welcome to the fold.[/quote]

Yep...stay out of my berry patch and don't piss in my beer and we get along juuuuuuuuuuust fine.



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I have a lot to say on topics such as this.

I can understand why many people are turned off by "organized religion" and "Bible thumpers" ranting and raving about all sorts off issues, all the while living as hypocrites. It turned me off to Jesus for years.

But, I realized something once I got my tuckus into church,professed Jesus as my Lord and Savior, and began to really study my Bible and closely examine what others were saying; they have no idea what they're talking about.

Bottom line is this; I don't condemn people because they're gay, drug users, etc. People are people, period, made in the image of God, and I go out of my way to treat them with the respect and dignity deserved by any of God's creations(unless, of course, they try to hurt me or my loved ones, then it's open season) :)

Anyway, not all of us Christians want to go out of our way to be intrusive. I live my life according to scripture the best I can, trying to be a good example to others, and realizing that I have no right to say that I'm better than anyone else, or to treat people in such manner.



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For God so loved the world that he gave his onlly begoten Son...
 
Sorry if I didn't fully understand the subject. I didn't realize so many people were swayed in their political philosophy by tree hugging jibba jabba. I assumed everyone arrived at their decision to be Progun by sound reasoning and not because they were knee jerking automatons. I know how convincing those oversensationalized, "We are the World", dogooders can be, ever since watching Rosie O'donell I've rid myself of plastic guns, baby eating pitbulls, cigarrettes that were forced on me, cars that have more than 90 hp and burn fossil fuel...lets see what else, lets not forget milk is worse for you than beer and that my evil pitbull (Who has to stay muzzled and neutered) has to see a therapist once a week to work out its aggression.

;) please...

[This message has been edited by MTAA (edited July 27, 2000).]
 
OK, back to the original topic. There may be people posting here who do not support the NRA, do not support Bush or actively support Gore (note the capital G. Names are capitalized, even "Hitler" and "Torquemada").

So what? This is a forum for discussion. If there are no differing opinions there won't be much discussion, will there? If you want to change these people's opinions, the ONLY way to do it is to lay out your case for them to consider. Blocking them out or ignoring them just lets them think you're afraid to debate them.

No doubt, some of them are here with an agenda and only post to grind that particular ax. I didn't see anyone get upset when TFL people went over to the Ms. board to grind their 2nd Amendment ax, did I?

(BTW, thanks for leading me there, folks, I'm enjoying my participation the Ms. Board).

This is a forum about firearms. Legal and Political is one segment, and I can't find anything in the rules that says you have to be of any persuasion or that you have to post on every topic. A member can participate when and how they please within the rules.

If Al Gore and Hilary Clinton want to join in and talk about whether a pump or automatic shotgun is best, fine. If Diane Feinstein showed up with a technical question about reloading, cool. If they want to talk rationally and trade ideas about RKBA or gun laws, great, that's our chance to present our side of the story.

By the way, I support neither Bush nor Gore, and while I agree with the NRA's major objectives, I dislike some of their methods. That's me.
 
Hey, all

One of the most recurring complaints I have heard throughout the gun-world is:

"Great point (read: article, speech, find, statistic, story)...... Too bad we're just preaching to the choir".

Well, any so-called "infiltrator" is our chance to get our message out to an "outsider". In my book, that's a good thing.

Although it may require summoning up a lot of self-control and biting one's tongue a lot, it also sharpens our debating skills and helps us hone the message of "truth" that it is our responsibility to pass to others.

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We need to feed the antis. If we do not bite the hook and shake it for all we are worth we'll never earn our way to our goals. If you are not willing to back up your ideas with debate than I strongly question your ability to do so and your resolve to the goal of ensuring the people retain control of their own country. Ignoring them will get us nowhere, it will make our edge weak and our arguments untested. Bring them on, they cement our drive and strengthen our edge through our having to deal with their foolishness.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth
 
Oh yeah - If you get in a discussion with folks, and the topic turns to the presidential election, there's not a great deal of need to bring up the controversial topic of guns - Why not? Folks, don't forget Gore's wife Tipper... She's the one who wanted to ban certain records, etc... Censorship, in any form, tends to get the "selective" supporters of the bill of rights frothing... Heck - If you don't like it, don't buy it. We need to get that period of their lives back in the public eye...
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If Diane Feinstein showed up with a technical question about reloading, cool. [/quote]

DiFi: What's a good load for a .300 Win Mag?

Me: A 220gr round nose, a full case of Bullseye, and lots of crimp.

:D
 
uuuhhh, what was the question again.

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"It is easier to get out of jail then it is a morgue"
Live long and defend yourself!
John 3:16
NRA lifer
GOA
GSSF
KABA
 
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