Best place to buy lead cheap

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I have a really bad back so even if I could find a place to get them don’t want to use wheel weights
Would be too much of a hassle to get someone to move them for me but even with buying ingots it still seems like a big cost savings over buying cast bullets also something I have wanted to do for years
I can get about 50lb from eBay for $75 made from wheel weights should be around brinell 14 this looks to be a good price to me from the searching I have done http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-LBS-LEAD...753?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abb6b7981
This a good deal or is there somewhere else that would be better?
 
That's not bad, as long as it doesn't have any zinc in it.

Check around at castboolits.gunloads.com and see if anybody is selling lead. About $1 a pound delivered seems to be the usual price.
 
Something I will advise you of, over the years I have been burnt on shipping a few times. The problem is with the post Office, most of the private sellers use Flat rate boxes, As you may know they can put up too 90 pounds in a FRB. However if they use too much packing tape according too an over zealous postmaster, or the box breaks open in shipping you will be charged a much higher shipping rate. I some times buy Linotype from private sellers. You can refuse the package, but you then need too deal with an un happy seller. And the whole who’s fault the package was damaged.
 
Check with any local scrap yards, to see if they'll sell to you.
Several in my area refuse to sell to non-commercial entities. But... there are a few that will sell anything to anyone. As long as you match the spot price they would get by shipping the materials to a foundry, it's yours.

At my preferred scrap yard, that means mixed WWs (zinc, steel, lead, etc) run about $0.36 / lb, sorted WWs (lead alloys only) run $0.68-0.76 / lb, pure lead runs about $0.75 / lb, and most other alloys just get cheaper from there. And... I don't have to run all over the place, trying to track it down. I take a walk through the yard, have one of the employees "shoot" interesting chunks of lead with their XRF analyzer to see what the actual alloy is, load anything I'm buying, and head home. (Very few scrap yards are willing to use an analyzer to test alloys, though. It's pretty rare for them to be as helpful as this one.)

Other than that...
There are gun forums that have a fair amount of alloy listed (castboolits, g2bgo {greybeard}, marlin owners, and ar15). Just be sure to buy from some one with a known track record for selling good alloy. Sometimes, people try to dump contaminated alloys on those forums.

Ebay and gun auction sites are another option. Again, it's best to buy from some one with a history of selling good alloy. There's nothing worse than thinking you got a good deal on 70 lbs of alloy, only to find out the seller was a d-bag selling an alloy full of zinc (ruins the alloy for bullet casting).


Personally, I won't touch auctions. - too many people trying to get rid of bad alloys, or selling alloys that are not as advertised.
 
Made my first bullet today :D wish I had something to shoot it out of
Someone was selling a mold so I emailed him that I wanted to start casting was real nice of him we made some ingots from ww then cast a few bullets
That's not bad, as long as it doesn't have any zinc in it
Check around at castboolits.gunloads.com and see if anybody is selling lead. About $1 a pound delivered seems to be the usual price.
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Checked castboolits found someone selling some 95/2.5/2,5http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=160287
I think the higher tin content should be better for making rounds for tokarev than what I found on ebay and its cheaper
from what I have read its supposed to be better to start with a larger caliber but I like doing things the hard way
Something I will advise you of, over the years I have been burnt on shipping a few times. The problem is with the post Office, most of the private sellers use Flat rate boxes, As you may know they can put up too 90 pounds in a FRB. However if they use too much packing tape according too an over zealous postmaster, or the box breaks open in shipping you will be charged a much higher shipping rate. I some times buy Linotype from private sellers. You can refuse the package, but you then need too deal with an un happy seller. And the whole who’s fault the package was damaged.
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That might be common problem one add I saw said they gorilla taped the box then put it in another box
But good advice ill mention it beforehand to prevent any possible problems
There are gun forums that have a fair amount of alloy listed (castboolits, g2bgo {greybeard}, marlin owners, and ar15). Just be sure to buy from some one with a known track record for selling good alloy. Sometimes, people try to dump contaminated alloys on those forums.

Ebay and gun auction sites are another option. Again, it's best to buy from some one with a history of selling good alloy. There's nothing worse than thinking you got a good deal on 70 lbs of alloy, only to find out the seller was a d-bag selling an alloy full of zinc (ruins the alloy for bullet casting).

Personally, I won't touch auctions. - too many people trying to get rid of bad alloys, or selling alloys that are not as advertised.
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That’s one of the reasons I picked the one I did from ebay he had a lot of sales and only good feedback the guy on castboolits has been on the site for a long time and selling them for over a month so should be pretty safe but that is one thing I’m afraid of is getting bad lead not knowing if the problems are from me not knowing how to do it properly or the lead. It seemed pretty easy today so hopefully it will go smoothly when I try it on my own I did run across a post complaining about some contaminated corn cob ingots that look like the ones that are being sold on ebay but didn’t say if they might have come from ebay
Might hit the scrap yards in the future hope there is one up here like by you but for now not a good option
 
You could always look at buying reclaimed shot that sells for $1/lb instead of your price of $1.50/lb and add whatever hardener you want
 
I get most of my lead for free from the indoor shooting range, but it's a *lot* of work reclaiming it. (besides the work shoveling it and hauling it up the stairs and home, it has bits of tire rubber mixed all through it so it's nasty to melt)

I just store it in buckets and ingotize a little at a time. Probably got about 1000 pounds of ingots, and 300 pounds of raw scrap left to be processed.
 
I get most of my lead for free from the indoor shooting range, but it's a *lot* of work reclaiming it. (besides the work shoveling it and hauling it up the stairs and home, it has bits of tire rubber mixed all through it so it's nasty to melt)
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Obviously, anything stuck to or in the bullets would be a bit more difficult to remove... but, have you considered submerging everything in water?

I imagine filling a container (I'm thinking plastic tote) with 40-80 lbs of the stuff, topping it off with water, then agitating (gloved hand) while using flowing water (garden hose). It might just float a bunch of that crap out of the lead.

I know many people don't like getting their reclaimed scrap anywhere near water, but I use the "empty pot only" method for scrap. So, I don't have a problem with it. (Plus, it's usually weeks to months, before anything that got wet has a chance to be smelted, anyway.)

*-"Empty pot only" meaning I ONLY add scrap or reclaimed materials to an empty smelting pot with the heat turned off. I never add it to a molten pot. That way, everything comes up to temperature before the alloy can melt, and any water has plenty of time and heat to evaporate before getting submerged (and any other contaminant has a chance to burn off).*
 
I get several buckets from an indoor also,what little sluff is in there will float. But to dry sintered and smashed bullets(mine gets shot into a steel backstop,no rubber) would be almost imposible,though heating from a cold pot works,I can continue without letting the pot cool down. Most is clean enough that it actually helps to flux. I just take a little time to pick as much out as I slowly dump from one bucket to the next,but wear a resperator.
 
I’m used to doing things for myself it sucks being dependent on other people for help
That’s the reason I decided to go with ingots that way all I need is someone to move them when they come in the mail and I can store them close to where in going to cast and just move what is needed and make a few trips if necessary
The guy selling on castboolits is aprox 65lb for $70 so pretty close to a buck a pound it’s a lot better than on eBay and from what I have read so far I think I will need a hard bullet 16+ with a decent amount of tin to get proper fill for the small bullets .311 - 93 grain so I would need to add some tin with ww but the 95/2.5/2.5 I’m thinking should work as is or would I still need more tin than 2.5?
 
Obviously, anything stuck to or in the bullets would be a bit more difficult to remove... but, have you considered submerging everything in water?

I imagine filling a container (I'm thinking plastic tote) with 40-80 lbs of the stuff, topping it off with water, then agitating (gloved hand) while using flowing water (garden hose). It might just float a bunch of that crap out of the lead.
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That's exactly what I do. It probably gets 2/3 of the crap out of the lead. (The rubber is heavier than water) The rest acts as flux, but I try not to burn too much of it because of the smoke and the smell
 
ronz, 2.5% tin will get you great mold fillout. That alloy sounds like isotope container alloy which is very good for casting boolits with. It should have a bhn of around 12-14 and would water drop to around 18. That should work well for anything up to around 2100 fps (with a gas check) and all handgun loads.
 
Would I be able to get by without the gas checks at around 1400 fps for a tokarev
I was going to order the equipment from grafs and there out of stock for 30 cal gas checks
 
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I shoot plain-based cast bullets in a Ruger .30 revolver at 1700 fps without leading. (really surprised me that it worked)
 
Cool I’m going to try it without them
Didn’t seem too bright buying everything but one necessary component but that is what I was going to do
Wife would go completely nuts if I tried to heat treat them in the oven and just wasn’t sure if it was worth it to try it without them
 
I shoot plain-based cast bullets in a Ruger .30 revolver at 1700 fps without leading. (really surprised me that it worked)
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Yep.
I push a few different commercial bullets to 1,500-1,700 fps in .327 Federal (5.5")... none of them gas checked.

The GC bullet I have for 30/32 caliber only gets 'checked for handguns because I don't want the lube on the GC shank contaminating powder. But... I haven't shot any of them yet. :rolleyes:
My next 32 caliber mold will be a PB design, to replace the commercial bullets I mentioned above, when they run out.
 
Thanks for the help have some more questions though
From what I have read it should be easier to use a ladle verses a bottom pour pot especially for smaller moulds so should I go with a dip pot or am I going to regret not getting the bottom pour right away?
From the pictures it looks like the lyman lead dipper may have a spout on the back side that would make it a lot easier to use than the lee ladle does it have one and is it worth the $17 compared to lee’s for $4
 
Ladle-casting is a perfectly acceptable method. You'd be surprised at how many casters try bottom pour pots and go straight back to an "old fashioned" 'dipper' casting pot.

Look at it this way:
You can always ladle-cast, but not all molds (possible future buys) will work with bottom-pour pots. And, bottom pour pots require more attention.
If you want to get started without being thrown into the deep end, stick with the classic ladle-casting method.

If you decide you want to try a bottom-pour pot in the future, you can. But, you'll still have the ability to ladle-cast small batches, or molds that don't work well with bottom-pouring.

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My experience with a few ladles:

The Rowell ladles (even the #1) are too big for nearly any casting pot under 20#. Even then, I wouldn't use it. It's too big, too heavy, and ... just awkward.

The Lee ladle is worthless at a casting bench. I know a lot of people on these forums think I'm an "elitist" Lee-hater, but I won't rag on a Lee tool unless I've tried it.
I wanted to try it... So, I bought one when I was searching for something a little different than the Lyman ladle I've got.
I laughed when I pulled it out of the package.
I was frustrated by the incredibly short handle.
I was frustrated further by the low capacity.
I laughed (begrudgingly) when the handle caught fire under what I consider normal use. (Leave the ladle in the alloy between pours, keeping the handle clear of the pot.)
Now, I use the Lee ladle (sans handle) to plant sunflower seeds in the Spring. I punch a hole with the shaft, push the seeds into the soil with the shaft, and then scoop dirt into the hole with the 'spoon' end. It's a great gardening tool. ;)

The Lyman ladle is love/hate for me. I like the 'feel' of it. I like the rate at which it pours. I like the capacity. The handle length is just about perfect. But, it constantly oxidizes lead on the surface. If I don't clean it regularly (every 6-10 pours), I get inclusions.

The RCBS ladle is like a scaled-down version of the Lyman ladle. The pour rate is slower. It's lighter. Its capacity is lower. The handle is shorter. But... it doesn't cause oxidation like the Lyman ladle.

I use a Lyman ladle for large bullets (41 caliber or larger, and/or 200 gr or heavier), and an RCBS ladle for smaller bullets (30/32 caliber to 40 caliber).

I tried a couple Rowell ladles, but just couldn't find a way to make them usable with a casting pot. Now, I only have one (#1), and it is used only for pouring ingots when I smelt alloys in a dutch oven.

-Just my $0.16
 
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