Best .380
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Carl the Floor Walker
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380's
They are all great, Love shooting them.
They are all great, Love shooting them.
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Carl, I am not disputing your experience in any way and I have certainly had questions about the LCP's "robustness" but I am curious why there have not been more reports similar to yours. Everyone knows about LCP recoil, but most people report satisfaction with the pistol for its intended purpose.
Bill DeShivs
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That's interesting.
The Keltec P3AT that the Little Copy Pistol was copied from has no such problems.
The Keltec P3AT that the Little Copy Pistol was copied from has no such problems.
Carl the Floor Walker
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I just do not want to purchase another.
Lol, Moved on from discussing 10 years of shooting the LCP and owning four of them. I just prefer other 380's. Will not own another LCP. Each to his own.
Lol, Moved on from discussing 10 years of shooting the LCP and owning four of them. I just prefer other 380's. Will not own another LCP. Each to his own.
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Carl,
I can only tell you that I have owned several LCPs since they were introduced, and I have never seen a frame crack or split like you have shown. If you divide your experience into the few million LCP units sold by Ruger, the resulting percentage would not even show up as a statistical anomaly.
I shoot about 10k to 12k rounds per year from a few pistols which includes an LCP in the mix. Since I always have an LCP on me, even when I'm carrying something larger, I want to make sure that I stay practiced with it.
As for accuracy, I have never had a problem putting rounds where I want them with an LCP. Can I be as surgically accurate with an LCP as compared to my cutsom 1911? No, but I can surely hit anything I need to within 20 yards. I do remember Todd Green, from Pistol-Training.com, showing his students that he could hit an 8" steel plate at 75 yards with his LCP to show that it is the shooter and not the gun.
As for Karh handguns... I would never buy a firearm produced by Moonies. Look it up.
I can only tell you that I have owned several LCPs since they were introduced, and I have never seen a frame crack or split like you have shown. If you divide your experience into the few million LCP units sold by Ruger, the resulting percentage would not even show up as a statistical anomaly.
I shoot about 10k to 12k rounds per year from a few pistols which includes an LCP in the mix. Since I always have an LCP on me, even when I'm carrying something larger, I want to make sure that I stay practiced with it.
As for accuracy, I have never had a problem putting rounds where I want them with an LCP. Can I be as surgically accurate with an LCP as compared to my cutsom 1911? No, but I can surely hit anything I need to within 20 yards. I do remember Todd Green, from Pistol-Training.com, showing his students that he could hit an 8" steel plate at 75 yards with his LCP to show that it is the shooter and not the gun.
As for Karh handguns... I would never buy a firearm produced by Moonies. Look it up.
Carl the Floor Walker
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GGlass, I am happy for you, glad you like the LCP.
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Now you have me wondering... What other top selling guns are prone to such high percentage breakage?
Why not look at Glocks, since they are known to be impervious to breakage.
Now we're onto something! We can now say with certainty that Glocks are junk! I have pictures to prove it.
Why not look at Glocks, since they are known to be impervious to breakage.
Now we're onto something! We can now say with certainty that Glocks are junk! I have pictures to prove it.
Carl the Floor Walker
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Oh Brother, here we go.
Ok, the Glock has some cracks, got it. Maybe the Moonies did it.
Ok, the Glock has some cracks, got it. Maybe the Moonies did it.
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Carl said:
I think that says it all. Carl never said we were crazy for picking the LCP. He just related his experience and opinion which seems anomalous to many of us. I don't think the LCP is anywhere close to being the overbuilt, nearly indestructible firearm that Bill Ruger made famous. It's a new day and a new Sturm-Ruger. I suspect for most of us the LCP will serve in its designated role until we decide to retire it. I also suspect that if the owners of Sig aluminum-railed pistols are cautioned to pay attention to greasing the rails in the interest of longevity, the same advice would apply to the little LCP. I doubt those little rails are tougher aluminum than in a Sig.
Carl the Floor Walker
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Thank you Laz
Thank you Laz. My bad for trying to honest as possible and of course it is only my opinion. I really do not bash any guns I do not have a history with. I do have a long history with LCP's. Shot thousands of rounds through them and feel I know the gun very well. The good the bad and the ugly.
I will try and make this statement positive about the gun.
First of all the Gen 2 IMO, has a really great trigger for Pocket Pistol carry.
(many of the LCP fans were really disappointed to see Ruger mess with it.)
The gun is very reliable. Mine always accepted almost any ammo. Accuracy can be very good if you train diligently with the gun. You have to put in the time!
Ruger customer service is about as good as it gets. A big selling point. They will always take good care of you. They always repaired my LCP's and others and in one case sent me a new gun.
My first gun went down around 2200 rds. It is my belief that you have to be careful and inspect the gun closely when it reaches around 2000 rds. (monitor the polymer grip closely for cracks)
To sum up, they are ok guns, if you can handle the snappy recoil,train often and understand the limitations of their longevity and durability and understand as you say, they are not the tanks that Ruger is known to build.
Thanks for your reply.
Thank you Laz. My bad for trying to honest as possible and of course it is only my opinion. I really do not bash any guns I do not have a history with. I do have a long history with LCP's. Shot thousands of rounds through them and feel I know the gun very well. The good the bad and the ugly.
I will try and make this statement positive about the gun.
First of all the Gen 2 IMO, has a really great trigger for Pocket Pistol carry.
(many of the LCP fans were really disappointed to see Ruger mess with it.)
The gun is very reliable. Mine always accepted almost any ammo. Accuracy can be very good if you train diligently with the gun. You have to put in the time!
Ruger customer service is about as good as it gets. A big selling point. They will always take good care of you. They always repaired my LCP's and others and in one case sent me a new gun.
My first gun went down around 2200 rds. It is my belief that you have to be careful and inspect the gun closely when it reaches around 2000 rds. (monitor the polymer grip closely for cracks)
To sum up, they are ok guns, if you can handle the snappy recoil,train often and understand the limitations of their longevity and durability and understand as you say, they are not the tanks that Ruger is known to build.
Thanks for your reply.
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I had a Kahr .380 and got rid of it because of reliability issues. Bought a Ruger LCP 'Custom' and it has been flawless. Pistols this small are notorious for reliability problems and what with manufacturing quality control being what is in today's market, what is the best comes down to personal opinion.
Prof Young
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I carry a sig p238, but not in my pants pocket. It's goes in a vest pocket or IWB. Great little gun. Seriously accurate once you learn to shoot it. Wish it was DA/SA not just SA. Never ever had a jam of any kind in over a thousand rounds.
Life is good.
Life is good.
In terms of reliability, I've had great luck with my Ruger LCP. I like it mostly for its diminutive size and light weight for a pistol chambered in .380.
I have been reading some good reviews on the new SCCY CPX-3 pistol, chambered in .380. A lot of pistol (..."most of its metal parts are machined from billet metal, with the exception of the springs and a handful of flat metal parts that are stamped. There are no metal injection molded [MIM] or cast parts on this pistol"...) for the money (MSRP $230.00) and all American-made. Too, their warranty seems hard to beat: "...Breakage or damage? We'll repair it automatically." For life and for all subsequent owners.
I have been reading some good reviews on the new SCCY CPX-3 pistol, chambered in .380. A lot of pistol (..."most of its metal parts are machined from billet metal, with the exception of the springs and a handful of flat metal parts that are stamped. There are no metal injection molded [MIM] or cast parts on this pistol"...) for the money (MSRP $230.00) and all American-made. Too, their warranty seems hard to beat: "...Breakage or damage? We'll repair it automatically." For life and for all subsequent owners.
Bill DeShivs
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The Sccy CPX-3 is basically their 9mm Keltec copy in .380.
Not exactly a pocket pistol.
Not exactly a pocket pistol.
Rivertrail
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you guys carrying these "pocket pistols" do you carry them in a pocket holster that covers trigger guard or just slip in your pocket? I've considered the lcp and have a g42 but the g42 is too big to go in my pockets comfortably and especially if I were to add a holster. Just wondering.
do you carry them in a pocket holster that covers trigger guard or just slip in your pocket?
I always use either a DeSantis or Uncle Mikes pocket holster. I won't pocket carry if trigger is not fully covered and other than the gun that pocket remains empty, no keys, coins etc.
I always use either a DeSantis or Uncle Mikes pocket holster. I won't pocket carry if trigger is not fully covered and other than the gun that pocket remains empty, no keys, coins etc.
Go to a shop and try them all. What do you want out of this gun? Small? Comfortable to shoot? Have you shot other 380s? Do you want a safety? Do you want features? What features do you want?
If you want a true pocket pistol, I believe the bersa thunder you are looking at is just too big. So is the the glock 42 and a few others mentioned in this thread. If you want a safety your options are really limited to the SW Bodyguard, which is what I currently carry. If you dont want a safety look at the keltec and ruger lcp, which are both a tad smaller/lighter than the SW and dont have a safety. But you should shoot/try these. I find them super easy to shoot whereas others find them very uncomfortable. But you really need to get your hands on them to figure it out. Also, I would highly recommend getting the stainless versions of whatever you are getting as I have read about some rust issues with the lcp/keltec blue finishes.
You really need a holster. If you dont have a holster that covers the trigger please dont have a round in a chamber...
If you want a true pocket pistol, I believe the bersa thunder you are looking at is just too big. So is the the glock 42 and a few others mentioned in this thread. If you want a safety your options are really limited to the SW Bodyguard, which is what I currently carry. If you dont want a safety look at the keltec and ruger lcp, which are both a tad smaller/lighter than the SW and dont have a safety. But you should shoot/try these. I find them super easy to shoot whereas others find them very uncomfortable. But you really need to get your hands on them to figure it out. Also, I would highly recommend getting the stainless versions of whatever you are getting as I have read about some rust issues with the lcp/keltec blue finishes.
You really need a holster. If you dont have a holster that covers the trigger please dont have a round in a chamber...