The ever so helpful person behind the counter at the LGS I buy my guns from told me the B in 75 BD meant black on my first visit to the store. I rolled my eyes and let it go. Even people working in guns stores can be a little ignorant sometimes. I just bite my tongue til it bleeds.
Beretta 92FS INOX. Turners Pasadena Sales Guy Says No.
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TheGuyOfSouthamerica
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It went all down to Business.
Sales sales sales.
At least were I am located.
If you ask them if a gun works you can literally feel they tell you only what you wanna hear.
Very in depth knowledge is not present anymore (if it ever was).
About reloading I learned all in Forums and on Youtube.
Local Gunshops rather want you to fail with reloading since they sell less ammo.
Sales sales sales.
At least were I am located.
If you ask them if a gun works you can literally feel they tell you only what you wanna hear.
Very in depth knowledge is not present anymore (if it ever was).
About reloading I learned all in Forums and on Youtube.
Local Gunshops rather want you to fail with reloading since they sell less ammo.
JoeSixpack
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@TheGuyOfSouthamerica
The Taurus 92 AFS most definitely is a stainless slide and barrel.
Or do you think Taurus is just selling guns stripped down in the white?
The older models had stainless controls but now days they just come with hard chromed controls and a black hammer.
The frames comes polished (and then anodized) which give them a shiny mirror like "bling" finish.
Beretta goes with more matte stainless look.
Inox is apparently Italian for stainless, Taurus is in Brazil, They don't use the word Inox.
The Taurus 92 AFS most definitely is a stainless slide and barrel.
Or do you think Taurus is just selling guns stripped down in the white?
The older models had stainless controls but now days they just come with hard chromed controls and a black hammer.
The frames comes polished (and then anodized) which give them a shiny mirror like "bling" finish.
Beretta goes with more matte stainless look.
Inox is apparently Italian for stainless, Taurus is in Brazil, They don't use the word Inox.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
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Inox is a common known word in ALL languages for stainless steel. Inox means inoxidable (in spanish) and most likely derives from latin.
Inox means: In=No Ox=oxidation. =InOx = No Oxidation
a material which does not oxidise.
There ya go.
According to Taurus Chat on their webside, Taurus DOES NOT MAKE ANY REAL STAINLESS STEEL. It's carbon steel finished with stainless (whatever that means).
I would be glad if my gun would be real stainless but according to Taurus eighter the slide is real stainless or the Barrel. According to other Agent neighter of them is.
Controls are all "MIM alloy" according to Taurus "which will not rust if propperly maintained"
Taurus is famous for inox FINISH. They usually do NOT use real stainless steel.
Here my Chat with Taurus. The very opposite was told to me by the same Agent a few months ago and I supect the Agent is a Computer or machine.
Inox means: In=No Ox=oxidation. =InOx = No Oxidation
a material which does not oxidise.
There ya go.
According to Taurus Chat on their webside, Taurus DOES NOT MAKE ANY REAL STAINLESS STEEL. It's carbon steel finished with stainless (whatever that means).
I would be glad if my gun would be real stainless but according to Taurus eighter the slide is real stainless or the Barrel. According to other Agent neighter of them is.
Controls are all "MIM alloy" according to Taurus "which will not rust if propperly maintained"
Taurus is famous for inox FINISH. They usually do NOT use real stainless steel.
Here my Chat with Taurus. The very opposite was told to me by the same Agent a few months ago and I supect the Agent is a Computer or machine.
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Some types of stainless steel are magnetic but some are not !! Steel of any kind is heavier than aluminum !
Acciaio inossidabile is Italian for stainless steel. It's shortened to INOX in Italian and some other languages. Germans can't speak Italian so they say RUST-FREI.
Sadly we have people who by intent or lack of knowing, mix things up calling an item titanium but it's actually aluminum made to look like titanium.
Yes stainless steel can rust under certain circumstances .
Acciaio inossidabile is Italian for stainless steel. It's shortened to INOX in Italian and some other languages. Germans can't speak Italian so they say RUST-FREI.
Sadly we have people who by intent or lack of knowing, mix things up calling an item titanium but it's actually aluminum made to look like titanium.
Yes stainless steel can rust under certain circumstances .
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
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As I understand Titanium IS only aluminum but with an Micro ingredient of Titan. There is Titan in it but since it is scarce they mix it with aluminum so it gives Titanium.
Titanium alloy Frames are aluminum + a tiny amount of Titanium.
Steel has a Moh hardness of about 4 to 5.
Titanium pure has a Moh hardness of 6.
What is marketed as Titanium Frame is an aluminum titanium alloy not pure Titanium.
Titanium alloy Frames are aluminum + a tiny amount of Titanium.
Steel has a Moh hardness of about 4 to 5.
Titanium pure has a Moh hardness of 6.
What is marketed as Titanium Frame is an aluminum titanium alloy not pure Titanium.
JoeSixpack
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@TheGuyOfSouthamerica
Ok I can't speak about the origin of "inox" only know it from Beretta.. never before heard it used in English.
So I won't argue that.. however,
Carbon steel over stainless.. stainless plating? are you even half way serious?
First off Im pretty sure you can't even plate "stainless" and why you would even want to wrap carbon steel over stainless.
Stainless steel is not some high grade magical stuff, it cost a bit more then carbon but you make entire objects out if it sold. it's just a type of alloy.
As far as magnets go there are many different types of stainless steel m'kay.
many of them will react to a magnet because guess what? it still has a ton of iron content just like carbon "steel" is like 97, 98% iron.
The main difference in stainless is it's Chromium content.. that's what give it corrosion resistance, and why it can be left BARE.. if you left BARE carbon steel it would rust up VERY QUICKLY.
Go! GO! Gadget wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel
You just got a 92afs so I don't even know why you're listening to such nonsense.
Tell ya what.. scratch your slide & barrel on your AFS.. see how it scratches? there is no finish it's bare metal.
The finish would be how the surface of the metal is left.. and this is done mechanically.. polished, matte or brushed.
MIM stands for Metal Injection Molding, I believe Taurus pioneered it, Many people bemoan it, But just like the switch to polymer now pretty much everyone uses it.
It's powered metal and a binder injected into a mold (like plastic) and cooked.. saves a ton of money over machining.
Not sure what make up the powder is that Taurus uses,
But it's a manufacturing process, Not an alloy.
The controls on the current production 92afs are chrome plated, they don't come out of the mold looking like that.
If you take one off (slide stop for example) you can probably see a little bit of a copper tone on the back, that's because metals are usually plated with copper before chrome as a sort of primer.
P.S There is no steel inserts in the frame, it's all aluminum.
P.S2 I don't know enough about Titanium to comment although very few guns or parts are made of it..
But wiki seems to suggest you have it backwards..
@Steamboatsig
Im sorry for polluting your thread with this crap.
@TheGuyOfSouthamerica
If you want to discuss more Taurus stuff make a new thread.
Ok I can't speak about the origin of "inox" only know it from Beretta.. never before heard it used in English.
So I won't argue that.. however,
Carbon steel over stainless.. stainless plating? are you even half way serious?
First off Im pretty sure you can't even plate "stainless" and why you would even want to wrap carbon steel over stainless.
Stainless steel is not some high grade magical stuff, it cost a bit more then carbon but you make entire objects out if it sold. it's just a type of alloy.
As far as magnets go there are many different types of stainless steel m'kay.
many of them will react to a magnet because guess what? it still has a ton of iron content just like carbon "steel" is like 97, 98% iron.
The main difference in stainless is it's Chromium content.. that's what give it corrosion resistance, and why it can be left BARE.. if you left BARE carbon steel it would rust up VERY QUICKLY.
Go! GO! Gadget wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel
You just got a 92afs so I don't even know why you're listening to such nonsense.
Tell ya what.. scratch your slide & barrel on your AFS.. see how it scratches? there is no finish it's bare metal.
The finish would be how the surface of the metal is left.. and this is done mechanically.. polished, matte or brushed.
MIM stands for Metal Injection Molding, I believe Taurus pioneered it, Many people bemoan it, But just like the switch to polymer now pretty much everyone uses it.
It's powered metal and a binder injected into a mold (like plastic) and cooked.. saves a ton of money over machining.
Not sure what make up the powder is that Taurus uses,
But it's a manufacturing process, Not an alloy.
The controls on the current production 92afs are chrome plated, they don't come out of the mold looking like that.
If you take one off (slide stop for example) you can probably see a little bit of a copper tone on the back, that's because metals are usually plated with copper before chrome as a sort of primer.
P.S There is no steel inserts in the frame, it's all aluminum.
P.S2 I don't know enough about Titanium to comment although very few guns or parts are made of it..
But wiki seems to suggest you have it backwards..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_alloy
@Steamboatsig
Im sorry for polluting your thread with this crap.
@TheGuyOfSouthamerica
If you want to discuss more Taurus stuff make a new thread.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
Moderator
I believe Beretta makes their guns from real stainless.
But as I have quotet my Chat, that's what Taurus tells me.
I would be very happy if the gun is real stainless. Would be awesome.
It could be I mixed up Scandium Frame guns with Titanium.
But as I have quotet my Chat, that's what Taurus tells me.
I would be very happy if the gun is real stainless. Would be awesome.
It could be I mixed up Scandium Frame guns with Titanium.
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This is incorrect. I have a stainless steel revolver stuck to the door of my safe with a magnet--it is a very compact way to store it. There are some kinds of stainless which are only very weakly magnetic, but most of the stainless guns and knives I have are pretty strongly attracted by magnets.
"Scandium" framed revolvers are actually aluminum frames alloyed with a small amount of scandium. However, it's important to understand that although there is only a small amount of scandium involved, that doesn't mean that there is only a small benefit or that the cost increase isn't warranted.
First of all, scandium is very expensive. Currently it is somewhere around 4 times more valuable than gold.
Second, it only takes a very small amount of scandium to provide a significant strength benefit. Adding about 0.5% Scandium by weight can increase the strength of an aluminum part by a factor of two.
On the other hand, to my knowledge, Titanium parts are usually made primarily of Titanium with small amounts of other metals in the mix.
It is possible to plate stainless, however I am not aware of any process which plates stainless with carbon steel, or vice versa. In fact, I've not ever heard of plating one kind of steel with another. Not because it would be impossible, but because there wouldn't be much point. If you want a steel part that's stainless, just make it out of stainless steel. Plating is usually done when it wouldn't be feasible or possible to make a part out of one type of metal but the properties of that metal (appearance or corrosion/wear resistance) are highly desired.
Walt Sherrill
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TunnelRat said:
Ha!! That ought to be a "sticky" at the top of the forum!!
"Real" stainless steel is of several types. It can be slightly magnetic, and surely can corrode, too.
Magnets are of varying power also. Compare a rare earth magnet to one that your local insurance company passes out to stick on the 'fridge.
So you can have varying levels of attraction between the magnet and the stainless steel, depending on the types involved.
Magnets are of varying power also. Compare a rare earth magnet to one that your local insurance company passes out to stick on the 'fridge.
So you can have varying levels of attraction between the magnet and the stainless steel, depending on the types involved.
claydoctor
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Inox as in Victor- inox , maker of stainless steel blades Not sure why it took 25 posts to agree that a gun with "stainless" stamped on the bushing is in fact stainless or inox .
claydoctor
New member
I could tell you knew what you were talking about when you said steel of any kind is heavier than aluminum .