Beretta 92 Compact vs CZ P01 Omega

Jacket67 said:
Does anyone have an opinion on the new Canik Tp9 SF Elite?
I don't know anything about the Elite model specifically, but I can offer a few opinions:
  • I agree with sigarms228 about the company's history, and furthermore, I've expressed general reservations about Turkish firearms due to the volatile political situation in that country.
  • Online info on the TP9 SF Elite is a little slim due to the pistol's recent introduction, and I can't determine whether the gun offers a DA first-shot option like the original TP9 or is SAO like the standard TP9 SF, although the "SF" suffix implies the latter. IMHO the trigger on the TP9 SF is too light for a SD/HD handgun without a DA first-shot option or a manual safety; this is a matter of personal preference, but I'll express mine. :)
 
The Beretta, and CZ reliability will be equal. For me, even though the Beretta Compact is called a "compact", it is still a FULL SIZE service pistol by most standards. Again, great pistol, great choice. If that is what you want, go for it!

My Beretta Compact is really just a novelty for me as I prefer the full size 92FS and my CZ's over the slightly smaller compact.
 
I've had a few 92FS/M9 and while I'll admit they are reliable guns, not one of them shot POA/POI and actually I failed to make them. The lockup on them, when in battery always seemed looser to me with the barrel pressing against the bottom of the slide opening (or if your unlucky slightly to the side). They never shot as tight as the 75Bs that I have. I don't have the P01 but a friend does, and it shoots as straight as the bigger 75Bs which I consider the better gun. Perhaps the only thing I'd like to see in the 75's is the chrome lining that the Beretta has. But they are still CHF so not a deal breaker. Perhaps it has some advantages, I don't know. In retrospect, unless I eventually intended to get and keep both, I'd cut to the chase and go CZ, and actually all steel.
 
In my opinion (owned both) they're both:
1. Accurate
2. Ergonomic
3. Reliable

In my opinion, I would choose the CZ because:
1. The size is just a bit more comfortable
2. In my opinion the recoil is a bit more linear, and less snapp
 
Both are great guns. I own a 96 and just bought my son a P01. I love my 96, reliable, comfortable, accurate. But, the P01 is better. It smooth, comfortable, welds to my hands and I group better at 25yds with it than any of my other semis. Its hard to explain, cant put a finger on the exact reasons. Its simply better than other others. The single drawback if I had to be finicky is that due to the slide design there is a little less grip to pull back on.
 
due to the slide design there is a little less grip to pull back on

That is certainly true for the CZ. And when new, that recoil spring is strong and you need a firm grip to get the slide back.

But you will never have the problem of racking the slide and accidentally putting the gun on "safe" like you can with most Beretta 92 models.

Bart Noir
Who just last night installed Wilson Combat super thin grips on his M92F Compact. What a terrific grip that gun has now!
 
Both are great handguns, I am though I have never had the 92 FS Compact, I have had numerous other Beretta's along with CZ's, to include the P-01 (and P-07). I know most people complain about the combo safety/decock lever on Beretta's, but a somewhat simple mod will convert that lever to decock-only. Any Beretta that I have ever owned that is not DAO gets that done; just my preference.

Anyway, you can't really go wrong with either one of them, is just a matter of personal preference for which one fits you better. I am happy with both of them, as both brands are my two favorite above all else. Good luck!
 
Right, but what I read was it's the slide that's the sticking point more than the parts (for whether the parts will work in that slide). Whether that kit works in a 92fs compact is the question.
 
Not the 92 FS series, but I know on the PX4 family it is as simple as removing the ball bearing underneath the lever's detent. As soon as that tiny bearing is removed it allows the lever to spring back up after decocking the hammer.
 
I tried Berettas before settling in with CZs for my defensive purposes. I have owned the M9a1 compact and currently own the P-01. For what it's worth, the Beretta was almost $200 more expensive. I then would have had to send it to Wilson Combat for the decock only modification($150). I also require night sights on my carry guns and the Beretta has an integral front sight with the frame. The last straw and deal breaker for me was how close in size it was to my 92a1. The frames were both aluminum and therefore weight was similar. The grip and barrel were ever so slightly reduced. So the pairing made no sense to me.

Fast forward, and the P-01 is my edc. The sp01 tactical is my range, shtf pistol. I like the ergos of the CZs more so than those of the Berettas. They came out the box as decock only models. I also feel that decocker is placed more intuitively than those of the omega and p09, p07 guns. The sp01 came with night sights and maybe $70? on Amazon got me a set for the P-01. Lastly, I must speak towards accuracy. The Beretta has it too, however I found myself working harder to wring it out of those guns as they never pointed intuitively for me. With CZs great ergos, I stack bullets into neat groups earlier in my range sessions, and more consistently overall.

I will give reliability to Beretta for a few reasons. The first and most obvious being the dropping lug design. This creates minimal space and effort for the bullet to chamber. Beretta also uses chrome lined barrels that extend to the albeit small feed ramp. Next, Beretta actually knows how to make a factory magazine that is both affordable and reliable.

Conversely, CZs are crudely finished and I found at least in the case of my sp01 tactical need a break in period. The brass has actually polished the feed ramp. They hate tulammo, and the 26 round factory magazines should not be run until the guns are broken in. They love magtech, and surprise Winchester Nato ball. These are Nato guns not necessarily made to eat all of the commercial ammo available to us. They like Mecgar magazines more than their own factory magazines. This makes me wonder if it was break in or the mags. I don't yet, as I can't seem to recreate my initial malfunctions, ftf, but give the above advise for a catch all approach. I have about 1000 rounds through the P-01 and can honestly say, that it just didn't like tula. The sp01 experienced the issues listed above. Neither have malfunctioned after their first 500 rounds and sp01 has about 1200 down the tube.

I give long term durability to the CZs. In my research, they tend to break the slide catch if recoil springs are not changed on time. Compare this to the Berettas tendency to break locking blocks even if the springs are changed, eventually. Those more knowledgeable than I suggest this is an easy fix, however I take pause with the idea of steel fragments locking up an aluminium framed pistol. For the record, this has resulted in even Beretta calling some frames "at the end of their service life". With current locking blocks going 22-35000 rounds, I still want a frame capable of taking more rounds.

I hope this helps and please don't discount the P-01 as the Omega is rarer, I've never seen one in person. And the decocker on the standard P-01 is well placed.
 
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Thank you all for the input so far! I still have a while to look so I will definitely take all of your advice and further research and hopefully shoot the guns I'm looking at.

In regards to the p01 omega, could I not order one offline and send it to an ffl? I know the price probably wouldn't be as good, but at least if I decide to get one that could be an option.

I do not want the standard p01 because as a lefty, I see that decocker placement as something that would be troublesome.

I am still looking into the beretta and p01, though I've extended my search heavily into the polymer frames just due to their light weight and comfort for ccw. Models such as the fns9, m&p9, p07, and the p10c are my top models for polymer frame guns. I've shot and handled glocks and while I believe they are good guns, I do not like the feel of how they shoot. Might change one day, who knows.

The p07 felt great in my hand when I held one at a local store. I've seen MAC's video on the p10c and that made me consider it primarily due to its ergos and fully ambi controls.


I know this post is all over the place, but that's basically how the past few months have been for me as I look at different possibilities. Who knew choosing your first handgun could be so difficult??? :rolleyes:
 
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