Bear rifle comparison test; my custom Remington KS 350 vs. my CRF O3'A3

I'll second Taylor's interpretation of the OPs original presentation of the comparison.

An operational firearm was compared against one where the OP admitted, mentioned, acknowledged (whatever, quit devolving to irrelevancies, you are the one who said it didn't work) that it had a feed problem.

The defense of the comparison because your KS had a feed problems at slow speed didn't equate a problem if you cycled it faster is a bit flawed. Common sense would bet that it would fail at high speed as well.

This is clearly sampling bias. OK, so you weren't conducting an official scientific study. I get it. But heck, lets take a rifle with a shot out barrel and compare accuracy to a factory new one. Let's take an AR assembled without gas rings on the bolt and compare it to one with gas rings.
Your comparing a malfunctioning push feed firearm to a functioning CRF one to advocate the merits of CRF is laughable.

Bottom line, you think CRF has merit. That's great. I won't argue that point, even though all my bolts are push feed. I have respect for it as an action.

Realize there are also people, some with considerable African experience (eg, Craig Boddington), who also use push feed in Africa and have no issue tackling dangerous game with it.
 
You are not preparing for any of those (videos please!)
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I have made many of such videos, and have lived that life and trained everyday for the streets. You are misinformed.

Those who train, and most importantly, HAVE THE SKILLS, will kill less often because of the confidence of being good. This goes on the streets as well, cops who can tangle on super-high levels have very few resisters.

I will pass on your let the bear get me advice ... no thank you.

I have killed 5 bears already, hunting, one record book, 600 pound, Alberta Black Bear, but I have also let at least 6 bears, trouble bears, on duty, and at home in the Colorado Mountains ... go in peace although they were a threat at the time. Preparing does not mean you want to kill things. Does training with your gun make you a hired hit man ... that thinking is silly, PLEASE!

I do not care about stats. This is the problem with civilians, they read stats, but don't live the circumstances the stats represent. When you are a cop, in a dark alley by yourself, the stats mean NOTHING. only the threat before you.

Thanks for the tips though.

You are not preparing for any of those (videos please!)
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Do you have any videos of you doing anything??? If so, post please!
 
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Wait a minute: Why exactly ARE we leaving the spray out of it? I know, I know...Guns are for real men and spray is for hippies & tree huggers. But seriously, why leave the single most proven form of defense at home? It's lighter than my Kel-Tec .380 (11oz vs. 10.5oz), and more effective at stopping a charge without injury (as a matter of statistical fact) than any rifle. The only thing if fails to do is kill bears and stroke my ego. So why would I leave it out?

By all means learn to make fast instinctive shots with whatever firearm you carry. I did, and I do. But don't handicap yourself before the fight for your life ever begins, however unlikely said fight may be.
 
As to the feeding problem with your KS .350, is the bolt failing to engage the cartridge head, thus plowing into the sided of the cartridge, denting it? Or is it popping the forward end of the cartridge up into the top of the barrel extension? Perhaps you could remove the scope and show a video of the feed system in action. Thus informed, someone may be able to tell you the exact remedy for what ails this otherwise nice rifle.
 
WB45 does not live in the real world. Some kind of fantasy existence.

Cold hard facts are that I have lived in Alaska 56 of my 60 years. Early childhood to the age of 12 in the bush. Years working in the bush, camping, hunting, fishing. And as noted, bears in and around Anchorage.

I have had ONE bear encounter. It was my own fault (garbage under my trailer when I should have had it carried out of the site by the crew, I was the only crew member staying on site).

There are a lot of words to describe someone that is not interested in facts. Lunatic fringe is maybe the nicest.

Those people scare the beweelies out of me (I would rather be around a ****** off bear)

WB45 is hell bent on having himself a bear encounter so he can shoot it from the hip, standing on his head or........

Makes me glad my hunting and fishing days are over. I stand a good chance of not being around the train wreck.
 
The '06 with the right bullet is an okay round to HUNT Grizzlies with, but hunting rarely involves stopping a charge.
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This is exactly right! Hunting and making a stop are two different worlds!

Most folks, and I don't care where they live, have ever trained or lived under extreme stress to test their skills under such conditions, and I do not want to hear from those who have not, with their theories, or where they live. If I put those who falsely claim differently through speed and stress testing with a small rifle, such as a .375 H&H most would fold like a lawn chair in a hurricane! The ones who have the skills work as pros in Africa and Alaska, but not everyone qualifies no matter where they live ... it is the skill sets, NOT the addresses that matter...

Do all New Yorkers walk the runway or act on broadway, or everyone in Pittsburgh know how to make steel, or everyone in Houston know how to launch a spacecraft ... NO ... and it silly to think so. Nor do most folks who live in Alaska know a damn thing about stopping a bear charge just because they are a resident there ... although there are more than you would find in NYC, Houston ETC. or the other way around. How many from Alaska actually say they have faced a charge ... not many ... so they are just as inexperienced as the guy from Jersey City, Jersey in this regard.

Cops who have never been in a gunfight MUST TRAIN for the possibility of doing so, and so I train for lions and bears in the same train of thought. I have faced a lion, and bears, but only Blacks so far ... I killed a few, but let twice as many go in peace. Training is how you get skill sets at a high level ... do you think Shooting competitors, such as I, train to kill people, or to get the skill sets that if confronted may make the difference between going home or being an article for the couch potato experts to read over a morning cup of coffee!

My O3-A3 is my favorite fighting gun, and I used it exclusively in Colorado when I checked my bear baits for years although I Had a .460 and a .378 Weatherby at hand if needed, as I trusted my life with my 03-A3, but, and there always is a but in life ... it is not a stopper for lions or big bears ... PERIOD! As a hunting rifle it can take anything that bleeds, breathes, and walks ... AND HAS!!!;)
 
So try this idea: Make Remington fix their mistake. You will then have the best of both worlds, power & reliability.

I DO shoot my Rem 721 in high-stress drills. I do not own black guns, and it would be my go-to SHTF rifle. Actually, your M7 or M700 based rifle has an edge over my 721 for fast work: the M-721 & M-722 bolt is notorious for binding if you put any side pressure on it at all. With training & repetition though, I learned to keep the bolt lug raceways hounds tooth clean, and pull straight back.

So, since this WAS a comparison test, I would say both rifles failed equally in your search for a bear stopper. Forced to choose, I would go with the more reliable over the more powerful. Or buy a (relatively) cheap, light, powerful gun to take along. Guide Gun in .450 Marlin or .45-70 comes to mind, as does a 3" Mossberg pump (less than $200) full of Brenneke slugs. I suggest these because you seem to lack a suitable gun, yet have enough money that buying one of these won't set back your trip.


Just to keep things in perspective, the .30-30/170 has more power & penetration than the .454Casull/300gr. This according to the Hornady Handbook of reloading. Not really relevant to this thread, but...
 
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