Barrel Porting

Not any exactly like that..but i have shot one that had just two ports alone the end of the barrel...it actually is accurate...but I havnt actually seen a pistol with a port job like that
 
All my carry guns are ported. I was skeptical for years; once I tried it, however, my only regret was not sending my first gun to magnaport a long, long time sooner.
 
works great for barrel flip and recoil, but..

Increases blast and noise levels considerably. I wouldn't consider using a ported barrel for self-defense because my hearing is already damaged enough.

Shooting targets and steel plates with plugs AND muffs in, sure. With no hearing protection? Yikes!
 
It would seem porting would reduce recoil but it would also seem that it would lower the impules power imparted to a given round by some degree, resulting in less fps ect...

Looks nice and maybe does help but I hate the idea of less fps per a given round, although it may not actually be all that critical in the end.

:)
 
Stock Glock "C" model porting does lower velocity.

The barrel I am thinking about extends the length and might increase velocity a small amount. The porting is beyond the length of a stock barrel.

Loudness to me is a non-factor in a shootout. Flash on the other hand might be an issue.

Does anyone have one of these Bar-sto barrels?

Repeat of link above: http://www.barsto.com/T&P.cfm
 
I don't have anything firsthand, but...

Years and years ago, a gunzine writer said he should have let Barsto make the barrel and let Magnaport do the porting, that the Barsto slots had little effect.
 
Loudness to me is a non-factor in a shootout.

Yeah, right. Obviously you have never shot one. They will make the sound level at the shooters ear about 10x higher.

They don't really cut recoil much (might be some, might be psychological), but they really do cut muzzle jump. The gas jets act like little rockets pushing the barrel down and slightly forward that makes a marked improvement. But it's LOUD. Plus the visual blast is redirected up into your line of sight. At night the gun may still be on target after a shot, but you won't be able to easily see it for that second shot and the sound will feel like a kick in the teeth.

I would only recommend one for a range gun. Never for a SD gun. You don't want to injure yourself while protecting yourself.
 
I had a 4" S&W Model 29 that I had Magnaported. I never noticed any reduction in recoil or muzzle flip, but the bright flaming "V" in lower light was very impressive, as well as very annoying.

I cant imagine having anything I was going to carry having a port/brake on it, just for the flash issue alone. I think you'll find you benefit more from working on your technique than adding gizmos.
 
Look, I have been in gunfights and the noise was not relevant. You ever heard a 105mm tank gun with a muzzle brake fire from close range?

It will rock your world and anything you can hold in your hand is a joke by comparison.

Had a friendly 155 mm howitzer round (95 pounds) with a VT fuze explode directly over my head, that was loud too.

Yes, I have poor hearing, but that is due to being around jet engines for 26 years as much as shooting or anything else.

Anyway the once in a lifetime time you are firing your CCW at some perp, come on noise is an issue? That is hilarious.

The flash issue, I have heard it both ways... seems that people who have ported weapons say it is a non-issue with low flash rounds and only a bit worse with practice ammo. I'd like to test that theory myself. Anyone have any actual experience with night shooting with a normal and ported barrel back to back?

I am no pro with a pistol but I rarely meet anyone with a handgun who is any better - granted there are a lot of people out there who shoot all the time and are just awful. I have practiced. I will practice with a ported or unported weapon.

I have an AK-47 which had snappy recoil. I put a muzzle brake on it and it is now a real ***** cat. It hardly recoils more than a .22. So I believe in porting/muzzle brakes.

And no, the AK-47 is not any louder to me. Granted I do use hearing protection.

The problem with the porting in the Bar-sto is that the ports seem small and are at the end of barrel with no expansion chamber - so I have to wonder exactly how much gas deflection is going on?

I see an extended barrels main problem is the additional length, not a problem if I get something for it. I just wonder if the return will be worth it.

Saw a few Youtube videos of Wolf ported barrels which really do seem to work, they have bigger ports and are longer. I have heard bad things about wolf barrels, that too is a good question - anyone have anything to say about wolf barrels? much cheaper for sure.

Just wondering if anyone has success with the Bar-stow porting system?
 
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Did one for the wife we both use clock 21's.HERS is a c we changed to the bar-sto. the recoil did'nt change but the flash from the ports seem to be worse with the bab-sto at low light.BUT it did shoot a little better groups for Her.
 
Porting may help with muzzle flip/rise, but recoil is a mathematical calculation based on velocity of the projectile, weight of the gun, and the mass of the ejecta. Porting has no affect in that regard.

Noise is greatly redirected backwards towards the shooter and those on either side, so extra protection is necessary
 
Thanks Big P,

I heard the bar-sto barrels are accurate, too bad about your recoil result. I did not choose a "C" model Glock because I did not want to lose the velocity I was gaining by going from 9 mm to .357 SIG.

The recoil of the SIG is no biggie but it would be nice to temper it a bit for better recovery time between shots.

Anyone else shot with a Bar-sto ported barrel? Any aftermarket porting system?

About recoil: mass x acceleration = force

most recoil, at least in rifles, is from the gases not the bullet. The weight of the powder is less but the acceleration is greater. Hence the force is more. If you deflect those gases anywhere not going straight ahead recoil is reduced. That is why my AK is easy on my shoulder, and why you can shoot a .50 BMG with minimal recoil if the gases are deflected rearward.
 
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From another thread:

free recoil=

(weight of the bullet X muzzle velocity + 4700 X weight of powder charge)squared
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64.348 X weight of gun in pounds


with this formula you can figure free recoil of any gun/load combo per Lyman manual 46th ed.

Here's another version from Outdoor Life:

http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/guns/rifles/2007/09/calculate-recoil-energy

Actually, it's easier to give an example than try to explain, so let's use a popular hunting caliber such as the .30/30 firing a 170-grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,200 feet per second. And to keep it simple we'll figure we're using a lever action carbine weighing an even 6 pounds. And to make it interesting we'll say the powder charge weighs 30 grains. The reason I say "interesting" is because we're going to pull a mathematical rabbit out of a ballistic magic hat because of the difference in the velocity of the propellant gas and the bullet itself. We do this by multiplying the powder charge by 1.75, which gives us 52.5 (have your pocket calculator handy, or do you want to do this in your head?). Now we add to this the weight of the bullet, which gives us 222.5. Wow, this is really getting complicated. Let's take a break.

Now we're getting to some important numbers by multiplying 222.5 by the muzzle velocity, which gets us 489,500. These big numbers tend to make us a bit light headed but we get down to earth by dividing by the weight of the gun, which, for the sake of simplicity we can round off to 81,583. Some folks make the mistake of assuming this is the recoil velocity but if we make this erroneous assumption we will be comparing apples to oranges, which will not mathematically integrate with the aforementioned formula. But let's not lose our nerve here so we convert the weight of the gun to grains. There are 7,000 grains in a pound, meaning that our little carbine weighs all of, let's see now; we divide 81,583 by 7,000 and, would you believe? We have an honest to goodness recoil velocity of 11.6547, or thereabouts. So now we're back to the using the simple formula to get recoil energy.

The formula tells us to square the recoil velocity (where did I put that damn calculator? It was here on my desk just a moment ago. Here it is.) and the square is 135.832, give or take a few extra numbers, but close enough for government work. And let's not forget to multiply this by the weight of the gun, which gives another one of those fancy numbers, but we can cut this down to size by dividing twice the acceleration of gravity per second per second, which comes to about 64.4, which (wonder of wonders!), comes out to 12.655. Well, I'll be damned! Does this mean the recoil of a little 6 pound .30/30 is 12.655 pounds? Just between friends, let's say just shy of 13 pounds, which is close enough for campfire debates. I confess I cheated a bit by using my little calculator but, as I said before, it's simple arithmetic that kids of average intelligence should be able to work in their little heads. Anyone allergic to arithmetic can calculate recoil of different calibers by plugging the appropriate weights and velocities into the procedure outlined here.

Porting is not a factor, but you can believe what you wish. Felt, or perceived, recoil is not the same as free, or actual, recoil
 
Good info.

But if you take that wt of that powder which is turned into gases of about the same wt and direct it in a different direction your recoil will be less.

I don't even know the difference between felt and real recoil so I can't argue with ya on that one.

All I know is that the muzzle brake on my AK worked wonders and after a couple hundred rounds at the range my shoulder does not have bruises like it would in the past - when I did not have a muzzle brake.
 
Shot my ported .45 race gun at numerous night matches, and without hearing protection, in the dark. Non-issue. Simply a non-issue.


RO'd in out night matches when guys were shooting .38 Supers making major with light bullets in comp guns. Flasj was just some little blue jets going up in a V-4 shape, but still, a non-issue for night vision. The noise was bad, but it was really bad if the shooter was prone on the floor- THAT was loud.

So porting doesn't help with recoil? Since when?
 
Do not confuse actual recoil with perceived recoil with muzzle rise reduction. Many target shotguns have ported barrels - the holes do nothing for recoil, and most don't do squat for muzzle rise as shotguns are typically heavy with respect to pressures generated. Recoil, (see above articles among many others), is a basic math calculation involving velocity, mass and weight.
 
wouldn't ya say that actual recoil is quite irrelevant if my perceived recoil is zero?

I think that you are confusing a technical term with something which is important.

What would the recoil of a recoilless rifle be using your formula? I shot a 90 mm RR once and did not feel anything because the gases were jetted aft.
 
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