Barrel just won't come clean!

I just can't get the barrel squeaky clean.
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I hope your not one of those weak wrist'ed swishers while cleaning up your smoke poles barrel. No more whining "I can't get it clean" Sir you have to exert some authority and show that barrel who 's the Boss!! The only way to accomplish that task is plenty of soap & hot water an endless supply of correctly sized cleaning patches. If you choose to get nasty because your barrel still appears to be disrespectful concerning your cleaning effort. Try using a bore brush occasionally on it. Sooner or later it will come around to meet your expectations. Now bring that Dawn detergent back to your wife and asked for her forgiveness concerning your recent act of misappropriation you committed in HER kitchen._:( Now. I think your good to go Sir.. :D
 
you do realize that their is only one commercial cleaner for black powder that does not contain kerosene or petroleum products, and that is the one that is NOT getting your gun clean, and resulted in this thread?

hoppes no 9 is not going to be beaten by bore butter, i learned the hard way with a sidelock. pure silicon isbetter then bore butter.
 
Understand, I'm not cleaning with Bore Butter. That's intended to be my last patch to protect the bore. I used lots of hot water, tight patches and T/C bore cleaner. The patches come out clean till I swab with Bore Butter, then they come out dirty. The Bore Butter seems to be softening residual something.
 
how old is the gun? it is modern steel, and not iron?

any surface imperfections in it? had similar issues with a rough bore once.


However this is what i recommend. its easy to do and notexpensive. and its fun.

1. clean the barrel with as much of that thompsons stuff as you want. till you get the patch as clean as you want.

2. get atsko silicone in a spray can, sometimes just says "camp dri" on the label. it only contains air and silicone. spray it down the barrel till its nice and slimy.

3. use a brash brush with a patch on it. slide it down. i KNOW it will look nasty as can be.

4. switch to simply saturating a patch on the brush till its clean. and only has a slight offwhite tinge to the patch. your barrel should be clean.

and oil the gun with a real preservative. i swear by hoppes 9 and pure silicone. silicone creates a true pore filling barrier.
 
I've been shooting my flintlock using Thompson Bore Butter for years. I just use patches, no brush.
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It appears you insist on using Thompson's Bore Butter time after time on your second from the last patch and than running one more patch down the barrel to wipe the excess lube out. Upon inspection of that last patch. It again comes out a little dirty. Sir Trying to get by with a ram rod and T/Cs bore butter, liquid cleaner and a some patches apparently isn't enough to resolve the problem.
Quick tips:
Do you have a bore brush of proper caliber to help in cleaning your barrels rifling?
When pumping hot water into your barrel from it's breech end. Have you unscrewed and removed the barrels vent liner?
Do you have a bore light to check your barrels overall condition after cleaning?

As said: You've been shooting your flintlock for years._ Are you now just taking notice that your barrel is not cleaning up after being shot? or has it always been a problem and over looked?

There are much better products on the market than those you are currently using. Others here have offered very good guidance. And as you know. To do a job correctly you must have the proper tools.
 
I haven't tried this, but a friend swears to me that peroxide cuts the sludge out perfectly. I would think you'd have to clean it all out after the sludge is gone.
 
Good Lord....

On the 8th day (after resting) God made both the Tablespoon and Tygon tubing.

Put the tablespoon full of PineSol into a quart of water, and put the Tygon tubing over nipple
with the other end into the quart of PineSol/water.

Wet a tight-fitting patch over the cleaning rod jag and wet it thoughly in the PineSol/water.

Run the wet patch down the bore and watch all the air come out of the tubing in the PineSol/water

Pull the patch up, and with it the PineSol water solution into the bore

Scrub long strokes up and down drawing in and pushing out the PineSol water into the quart jar. Repeat as required to get white suds.

When clean -- about three wet patches -- dry patch out and preserve the bore with BreakFree or Weapon Shield.

Then relax and watch re-runs of Wagon Train w/ a very young Rowdy Yates :D
 
The four patch, five minute clean.

Hello the camp!!!

I purchased my first two muzzleloader rifles in 1976 (now own over 20) and have been shooting black powder rifles and pistols since. I hear many folks have problems both shooting and cleaning. There are as many patch and cleaning solutions out there in black powder land. Many work and many don't.

All my shooting is Match or Rendezvous (no waiting with a loaded gun). Therefore, this is not a hunting lube. Here is what has worked for me:

Patch Lube - 1 part WSO
1 part 91% Iso. Alcohol
6 parts water
Use a WET (not dripping) patch.
I can shoot all day (50 shots) without cleaning.
Caution - if you use speed blocks hanging around your neck the WSO can stain your shirt.

Cleaning - 1 part MOS
1 part 91% Iso. Alcohol
1 part Hoppe's #9
1 part water
Plug the nipple or touchole, pour 4" of cleaning solution into barrel, take a range rod with a barrel bushing (to protect the crown) and only a bare jag (no patch), agitate the rod about 30 quick strokes, empty the solution, refill the bore with solution, agitate 30 more strokes, empty solution, run a wet cleaning patch through the barrel 10 times, run a second wet cleaning patch through the barrel 10 times, run a dry patch up and down the bore several times, lube a patch with Ballistol, run down, flip over, run down, remove the nipple and clean with the cleaning solution, lube with Ballistol and replace, wipe down the outside with any good gun oil. This should not take you more than five minutes and four patches. I use 2 1/2" square pieces of old flannel bedsheets for cleaning patches.
 
Sorry - I should have typed them out - but you win the quiz:

MOS - Murphy's Oil Soap (Old household cleaner)

WSO - Water Soluble Oil (Plumbers use to thread pipe)

Dan
 
One way to really scour out the barrel is to get yourself one of those copper chore boys. You know the ones that look like the plastic dishwashing pad only that are made of copper? Well either use some of that or even some coarse steel wool and tear some of that off and wrap it around a smaller caliber cleaning brush til it fits snuggly in your barrel. Then work it back and forth. If any of it comes off get it out with a "fishhook" type patch puller. That should scour most any kind of junk loose in your barrel. Then swab it out as normal.



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