Ban American Flag

Ernest T, I can't say that I disagree with you on what our Native Americans endured many years ago. This statue kind-of says it all http://www.cowboyhalloffame.org/trail.html and make sure you read the part about the Native Americans view. I doubt that you would get much support even from Native Americans that served under that flag in our wars.

I disagree with you on your idea of banning the American flag. As far as ME owing YOU anything, WRONG! Nobody owes you or any other race anything for what has happened in the past.
 
In reality, the liberals really want to ban "human nature". They completely ignore the fact that it's literally impossible to do what they profess regardless of how many laws they conjure up.

The example of the Confederate flag is very profound. Common sense was thrown out the window and they caved. Now the Anti's (anti everything actually) have a trump card that "we" will not stand up to.

They reign free until we stand and tell them to shut up!

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now join the GOA!

The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.
 
The fact is that the United States of America signed treaties with Indian tribes and then openly violated the treaties. They then murdered Indians, herded tribes onto reservations and largely control their behavior to this day.

The fact is that large tracts of land, in what is called the United States, are by treaty not part of the United States but actually legally territory of various Indian tribes; The Supreme Court decisions not withstanding that Indian Tribes weren't capable of signing treaties, such a decision is pure racism and legal nonsense.

In some sense violating treaties was worse than the outright invasion of such things as the Cherokee Nation.

I support many Indian tribes declaring their sovereignty and getting off the Federal dole. With their own nation they could engage in whatever business practices they felt best benefit their people.

Upholding treaties with the Indians is of a completely different nature than reparation for past crimes. The Tribes have treaties, approved by Congress and Signed by the President, which were openly violated.
 
While I certainly appreciate Ernest's hyperbole, banning any flag, or symbol is just too stupid for words.

Intolerance for anything anyone finds offensive has killed the "Land of the free, and the home of the brave".

Reparations? Repair My Country! Quit Sh**ing on the graves of those who died to keep it free.

Grrrr
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ernest T. Bass:
. When was the last time one of your female family members had her arms cut off, her legs broken, and then left to die an angonizing death by an american soldier?
[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited July 27, 2000).][/quote]

Can't say that it has happened to me or mine . But I have seen American soldiers treated that way while defending your freedom to say exactly what you are saying .
You need to go to mid-town Manhattan . The mid 40's sports a building with a slew of flags out front . It is a tall slender building . Pick out a flag you like more and go there . Make sure they have free speech or your tenure will surely be brief .
Of course there is always the option of returning to the Rez . Of course anyone sober is considered an "Apple." You could return to "the old ways" and even have your own flag . First you may want to explore the rigors of this calling . The trials that young braves endured were not for torture or the pleasure of those supervising the tests . They were to make sure you were ready to take your place in a society that fought the land every day just to survive .
Too many of those that say things like this are just a throwback to the hippie days . They complain about the system but take the checks .
Be careful what you ask for . You just might get it .



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TOM
SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA GOA
 
Art and Mal,
I hope you aren't offended by the fact that I pretty well agree with you on this one. I am not a historian, but I think the various tribes obtained most of their lands the same way they lost it. That has been the pattern of mankind throughout the world. It doesn't excuse the atrocities commited by either side or the breaking of the treaties by the US Govt. In any event we go not from where we wish we could have been, but from where we are. The constant whining and complaining by the various "victim" groups is counterproductive and divisive to our nation. I like what JJ Johnson said (I hope I have the name right) when he said that he had never met a black man who had been a slave or a white man who was a slave owner. I abhor the past discriminations and injustices suffered by many, but it is in no way my fault and I, therefore, don't have any apology to make. If I may I would like to tell what I personally heard Four Star General "Chappie" James say. He said that his parents always taught him to prepare himself for life. To get ready and have his bags packed and when the opportunity came he would be ready and not have to get ready. He told that as a boy in school he was required to come directly home and study his lessons. One day he was late and his father asked him why. He told his dad that he had had a fight with a white boy (Gen James was black). He said the white boy called him a nigger and so he whipped him. (I am sure that Gen James was well over 6 ft and probably weighed 220 as a teenager.) Gen James said that his dad said "You wasted your time. You didn't change what that white boy thinks of you and you are late getting to your studies." Gen James agreed, and went on to say to the minorities in the audience that each should get prepared and when one needed help there would be many hands reaching to help, and that most would be white hands. Gen James was Commander of NORAD. He died relatively young of a heart attack, I think. I wanted him to run for president. Guess I can't add anything to that except to follow his example and there will be no need to whine and complain. Regards, Jerry

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Ecclesiastes 12:13  ¶Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14  For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which
the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco,
back in April of ‘93?"

--Vin Suprynowicz

Yeah, our beloved glorious flag.

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LowClassCat
Always willing to calculate my chances
 
Mr. Bass, meet Mr. FUD. He has a great deal on a house in a neighborhood I KNOW you'll love. We can work out the real estate commission later ;)
 
OK..... Let me explain. White settlers killed a bunch of natives and took the land and now the FLAG, representing them, should be banned. Sounds like an anti's philosophy.

Too bad the American-Indians didn't have better weapons to fight the Settlers.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MP Freeman:
OK..... Let me explain. White settlers killed a bunch of natives and took the land and now the FLAG, representing them, should be banned. Sounds like an anti's philosophy.

Too bad the American-Indians didn't have better weapons to fight the Settlers.

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Actually, the bow was superior to the gun, Higher rate of fire, more accurate, quieter, left no tell tale visual, like smoke, better suited to individual targets and easier to replace. The tactical advantage was on the side of the Indians (Apologies for using the term to lump all Nations together). Communication was on the side of the Indians . Sheer numbers in force was on the side of Indians. Supplies and availibility of supplies was on the side of Indians . So why aren't we speaking Crow instead of English? If you can answer that, then you have a good idea of what is really an anti concept ;)
 
RAE,

I don't know why I speak english and eat crow.

And Yes the bow is a good weapon for rate of fire and stealth as compared to muzzle-loaders. Good point and well said.

[This message has been edited by MP Freeman (edited August 02, 2000).]
 
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