Ban American Flag

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Ernest T. Bass

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As an American of 25% american indian blood I am starting a campaign to ban the american flag. If one minority group can be successful at getting the confederate flag banned for what they believe it represents, why can't another? The precedent has been set. We are no longer the world's "melting pot", we have balkanized into various factions, each motivated by self interest, which as we all know is the first law of nature. As an american indian, there is no greater symbol of oppression than the american flag. Everytime I see it wavied I feel sick. No greater symbol of extermination, torture, brutality, or mans inhumanity to man exists. When was the last time one of your female family members had her arms cut off, her legs broken, and then left to die an angonizing death by an american soldier? When was the last time your kin, men, women, and children were indiscriminately slaughtered? When was the last time one of your relatives lay dying in the mud because her unborn child. When was the last time one of your sisters had her [deleted for graphic content] You may say "that was many years forget about it". Try telling the Jews to forget the hollocost. For over 100 years we have been prisioners of war. Will men and women of conscience everywhere join in my crusade to ban the flying or displaying of this horrible symbol of genocide?

[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited July 27, 2000).]
 
I think its called "hyperbole" (man, I've been out of school too long).

Yes, if we want to remove all symbols of oppression, we should definitely ban the American flag. And then level Washington DC (don't you know it was layed out on precise mathematical/geometric patterns based on the philosophy of the Greeks and Romans? If ever there were more oppressive SOBs than the Romans, I don't know who they were). And then we can dismantle the rest of Western Civilization (let's face it, its a history of someone oppressin' someone else for the last 2500 yrs or so), go live in caves and nobody will ever have to feel oppressed again.

I'm all for it.
 
Okay, let us remember that this is a family-orientated forum and keep the graphic descriptions to a minimum, hmm?

As for your point, me and my CDIB card are going to stay out of this one.

LawDog
 
Anyone for a game of cowboys and indians? :rolleyes:

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ernest T. Bass:
My apologies to Wille Nelson but my hero's have always killed cowboys.[/quote]

I'll try to remember that next time I out running around on the Checkerboard Rez...

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
I should stay out of this as well, but I have to ask this question. Do you think the history of the majority of American Indian tribes are without their own form of atrocity perpetrated against other tribes or even members of their own tribe? Should the current members of the various tribes be held accountable for those atrocities that took place hundreds and even thousands of years ago?

You cannot point to any civilization or group of mankind that hasn't had many events in their history that the current members wouldn't be ashamed of. The European/African/Asian Americans and the American Indians are no different in that respect.

Should we forget about the past? Absolutely not. But should we continue to stew over it and let it hold us back from further civilization and understanding between the various groups? Again, absolutely not.
 
I can understand Mr. Bass' point, but lemme say this about that: If there's anything we have too much of in this country, it's victim-groups.

I'm more than just a little bit fed up with the idea of either kowtowing or paying dane geld to any of them! I'm happy to acknowledge that great grand daddy or great grand mommy was direly put upon, but at that point mine eyes glazeth over.

I note that people have been dumping garbage on other people for several thousand years, now. I note a profound lack of apologies, generally. E.g., the Mexican Government has never provided any recompense to the descendants of those Apaches whose scalps were bought and paid for by that government.

My suggestion to any and all victim groups is to learn the rules established by the winners. Their use is in no way limited to the winners. Use those rules to your own benefit and become rich, famous and powerful. Otherwise, try silence--it doesn't disturb those who are working under those rules.

:), Art
 
If the American flag symbolizes oppression to you, don't fly it.

To me, it represents the ideals that this country was founded upon and the spirit of the American people.

Sorry if reality doesn't always match ideals, but a flag is just a symbol. It is not the JBT's, cowboys, politicians, whatever it is that you hate.

Interpret it as you wish, but keep you hands off mine.
 
The American flag does represent the ideals and the spirit of the people that founded this wonderful country. However, America has fallen so far from those ideals that we don't deserve to fly it. Every time I see a flag, I feel ashamed and sad of a society which mocks the principles that it stands for. One nation under God. With Liberty and justice for all. Empty, meaningless words in today's society. I'm so depressed :{
 
I think the rocks Mr.Bass is throwing are a result of the discussion the other night over the Confederate flag. Heck, why not ban the flag, I agree with Cindy, but as WestTexas pointed out we have moved so far away from what it is suppose to represent maybe we should join Ernest in this one. Anyone else remember the scene of it flying over Waco? I actually smacked the back of my son's head one time because he didn't remove his hat and recite the pledge of allegance at a ball game. He hasn't forgotten. Our world is the world of me and it's gonna have to get really bad before that changes. Ernest, count me in, I'll fly the flag in my heart!
 
hyperbole \Hy*per"bo*le\, n. [L., fr. Gr?, prop., an overshooting, excess, fr. Gr. ? to throw over or
beyond; "ype`r over + ? to throw. See Hyper-, Parable, and cf. Hyperbola.] (Rhet.) A figure of speech
in which the expression is an evident exaggeration of the meaning intended to be conveyed, or by which
things are represented as much greater or less, better or worse, than they really are; a statement
exaggerated fancifully, through excitement, OR FOR EFFECT (my emphasis).
 
I dont know if EBass is serious or not but he could be factually correct from one perspective. As WT Sherman said while transversing the neighboring state of Georgia, "War is hell"! Atrocities and stark reality are constant companions. Each side in any armed conflict is likely guilty.

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Better days to be,

Ed
 
Hyperbole.....satire....facetiousness

Ernie is making a point utilizing the above literary devices.

And wait to see what he can validly say if or when Congress oks a proposed $ 1 million to all descendents of African slaves.
Again, satire....don't bunch yer panties

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
OMG!

And I'm pissed and want reparations because my Great-Great Grandfather got on a boat with my Great-Great Grandmother because they were starving during the potato famine. He was literally beaten nearly to death by an Indian because he wanted a job! That's right, he wanted to get a job and work to put food in my Great-Great Grandmothers mouth. He was nearly killed by an Indian because the Indian was mad he could not get a job because he couldn't speak or read English! The job was as a wire operator, whom obviously had to be able to read and speak English! It's nothing but oppression of Irish Americans!!!!! I think the Indians need to pay me a cool million for the oppression!

In reality, although this story is true, I hold NO ILL WILL towards anyone. Yes this actually happened. But wouldn't you agree that when we WHINE & BITCH all we become is more of what those people we seem to dispise soo much. Demanding political correctness and reparations for things that are a part of History. It is exactly that. Those who live in the past are forever doomed to lead a miserable life. Those who live in the present can work together to make things better. THINGS WILL NOT CHANGE IF ALL WE DO IS SIT ON OUR ARSSE'S AND COMPLAIN!

I am NOT saying we need to forget the wrongs of the past, I am extremely proud to know that my family came here and helped to make this great land of ours. JUST WE NEED TO MOVE ON!

I'm with DC, and Miss, Its about IDEALS,

GET YOUR HEART IN AMERICA OR GET YOUR ASS OUT!!!!!!!

God talk about taking things to an unneeded extreme!, or if this was one of those hyperbole things, you definantly succeeded in inciting people to a riotous state!

:DI LOVE EVERYONE! :D

"CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?"-- Rodney King (smarter words than we actually thought at the time ;))
 
I love it when you use them big words!
I think the reparations will probably not be paid unless billyboy can do it in the next six months.
Can you imagine divvying up $1Mil. Can you comprehend the geneology and the probates and the documentation that would be necessary to legally develop entitlement?
Or do you think it would be a stroke of the pen?

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You have to be there when it's all over. Otherwise you can't say "I told you so."

Better days to be,

Ed
 
Ed...
I claim exemption, as both parents families immigrated here after 1900. Thus, I'm not at fault.
'Sides, gov't or not, it's not wise to try muscle on a Sicilian *evil grin*

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
All I can say is that different symbols mean different things to different people!

As this person has shown with the American Flag.
As with The Confederate Stars and Bars.
As with the Nazi Flag.
ect, ect, ect.


There should be NO banning of any of these, that would violate the 1st.

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Hey, that million he's talking about is only for the study committee! If I'm not mistaken the bill is to establish a committee to study the reparations. Great GooglyMoogly! I think I prefer my million to be spent on studying Bovine Gas emission and the effects on the Ozone! At least I can smell the stink!
 
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