Ballistic gelatin testing results : .380ACP Federal Hydrashok

[MCCALL911]

Two things amaze me about the original post of this thread.

1. It's almost 6 years old.

2. It's also done on these pages:

For the bare gelatin:

http://www.brassfetcher.com/90 grain Federal Personal Defense Hydra-Shok.html

For the denim covered gelatin:

http://www.brassfetcher.com/380acp 90gr Federal Hydra-Shok (light clothing).html

(Source: www.brassfetcher.com)

 

[jmortimer]

The "New" O/P expained why he raised this from the dead and this is better information http://www.brassfetcher.com/380ACP ammunition performance in ballistic gelatin.pdf

 

[MCCALL911]

The "New" O/P expained why he raised this from the dead

No, he didn't. He just lit in to advancing some theories of his own.

and this is better information

Yes, I'm aware of brassfetcher's new site since I posted the link to it. I was giving links from the old site where the information from the original post is located.

The reason I pointed this out is because it smells fishy. The "old" brassfetcher site was up and running in 2004. Why didn't the OP just post a link to it? I guess we'll never know because the OP from 2005 hasn't even posted since 2007.

 

[wb4tjh]

I think we have carried this hollow point thing a bit too far in the .380 auto discussions. After having read reports and comments by ER doctors who have treated gunshot wounds, and homicide detectives who have investigated hundreds of shootings, I have come to the conclusion that in these smaller calibers, .25, .32, and .380, the lack of bullet weight and velocity make it evident that hollowpoint/expanding ammo is NOT very effective in these weaker cartridges. PENETRATION is the key here, and that means full metal jacketed bullets. Gellatin and water jug tests look good on paper, but in reality, many expanding .380 rounds do not penetrate far enough in actual human shootings to do enough damage to stop an attacker. You can do your own research on the internet on this subject, so I won't get into any arguments here on this forum. But as a result of my own investigations, I have decided that I will only carry full metal jacketed ammo in my P238. The gellatin junkies can continue their arguments to the contrary, but penetration is the key to effectiveness with the .380 and other mouse gun rounds, not expansion. Over penetration can occur, of course, but that will be in rare circumstances. When you are shooting to defend your life or the lives of others, you have to hit the bad guy's vitals and in these small calibers, penetration is the only thing that makes real world sense.

 

[old bear]

Mr. Nash, thank you for taking time to preform and then publish the results of your study. Even though I no longer own a .380 caliber pistol, I will file your information away in case I ever purchase another .380 caliber pistol.

 

[Mello2u]

Is there some sort of initiation rite which is to be carried out for MikeinTexas?
His first post on the forums and it is a zombie thread from six years ago!

I thought is was settled that the hypothesis that handguns which fire cartridges in the range of reasonable powered defensive rounds have "knockdown power" was without merit. If they knocked down a target they would knock down the shooter.
Nor do cartridges in the range of defensive cartridges produce hydrostatic shock.