Jammer Six
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Fascinating discussion.
Why are you so set against a class?
Why are you so set against a class?
Why are you so set against a class?
Are you carrying a SA revolver cocked, or are you cocking upon draw?
... I'm not against a class, but rather the methods taught. As shown in that "Briefcase" clip, the free hand is more than likely required to push aside a gun in your face. While doing this, the gun hand draws and fires.
Bob Wright said:Your question proves almost conclusively that you have not been to a tactical training school...
I have not, nor do I intend to do so.
In other words, neither of you have any real experience with solid, professional training, nor do you understand from experience what it involves and the skills and knowledge acquired. So your critiques are based on guesses and assumptions, rather than actual data. As such, I personally don't see much reason to take your criticisms or opinions seriously.rodeo roy said:...basically I checked out and did not really give what he was teaching a chance...
I'm still not quite getting why the commonly taught drawstroke seems so wrong to some.
They won't ever beat Jerry Miculek ....or any of the really great shooters using the modern tecnique....I have seen some good SA shooters and they can get the first shot on target as soon as anybody with any action type, and adequately fast for the next four or five.
Absolutely true. In fact, I believe that in the past Clint Smith has put on some classes on the defensive use of the single action revolver.Jim Watson said:...I have seen some good SA shooters and they can get the first shot on target as soon as anybody with any action type, and adequately fast for the next four or five....
Also true. In fact Jeff Cooper often mentioned that he liked a short barrel SxS shotgun with exposed hammers for home defense, because it can be kept with shells in the chambers and hammers down indefinitely without putting any tension on any springs.Jim Watson said:...As far as other obsolete weapons mentioned, some old guy name of Jeff Cooper called the .30-30 lever action the Brooklyn Carbine and considered it superior to the AK for midrange self defense. And NYPD detectives once carried "coach guns" on raids because of their simplicity, leaving the pumps to patrolmen and autos to SWAT.
Well heck, neither will I -- even with everything I've learned at Gunsite, and from Louis Awerbuck and from Massad Ayood.jimbob86 said:...They won't ever beat Jerry Miculek ....or any of the really great shooters using the modern tecnique....
But I've no doubt that I'm better because of what I've learned at Guniste, from Louis and from Mas (and others), than I ever would have been without that training.
Well some of those of us who have sought out and gotten training also carry for personal protection, not to show off (and I carry whenever I legally can, mostly my visits to Nevada and Arizona). And you are free to make your own decision, but that doesn't mean that your decision will necessarily be helpful to anyone else.rodeo roy said:...My purpose for carrying is not to show off my hobby, nor for work. It's only for protection and I practice according to what I feel would work for me and what's in my comfort zone...
If my post was misunderstood let me be clear. I stated I revisited the type of training described and I did not find it practical for me. I also stated that I was less informed than many here. My purpose for carrying is not to show off my hobby, nor for work. It's only for protection and I practice according to what I feel would work for me and what's in my comfort zone. Its a personal choice I made / make, I also stated that practice in itself builds memory that will help should the need arise.
... not inclined to believe that a person with good common sense and average shooting skills is somehow helpless ...
Well some of those of us who have sought out and gotten training also carry for personal protection, not to show off (and I carry whenever I legally can, mostly my visits to Nevada and Arizona). And you are free to make your own decision, but that doesn't mean that your decision will necessarily be helpful to anyone else