"Bad guy" gets a girl off the fence.

KaMaKaZe

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Proof-positive that everyone "sees the light," sooner or later.

Background:
Marieanne is a fellow student and good friend of mine who lives about 2 miles from my place in a upper-scale, gated apartment complex. She shares a two bedroom apartment with her boyfriend, a dog and a kitten. They live on the first floor in a dark corner backed up against the woods. They are "well off" and have quite a bit of pricey electronic gadgets throughout the apartment. ..okay.. enough of that

Marieanne has always been undecisive about which side of the fence she wanted to stand on. She has shown interest in a few of my firearms.. but never seemed to be the type that would feel comfortable enough owning one.

Times change.

This morning at 1am, she was up in the "computer room" eagerly typing away burning the midnight oil (and then some) finishing up some work for work. Her boyfriend grabs a guitar and heads towards the back porch (which is screened in). He steps outside, takes a seat and begins to string a tune or two.

Not even a minute into a song, he notices something in the dark from the corner of the apartment where the bedrooms are located. He gets up and steps toward the screen to get a closer look.

From out of the dark steps a really big guy.

Brett yells, "Who the f*** are YOU?!!

According to Brett's testimony, he was scared -- this guy was big. Comin' from Brett, whos no small kid himself (6'3", 250lbs+), he said he definately felt intimidated.

The guy immediately turns in Brett's direction and walks toward him.

"Don't mind me, I'm just passin' through."

"You had better pass your !@# on outta here!"

Brett says the guy disappears about as fast as he "appeared."

Marieanne hears the comotion and is present during half the comotion. She is certainly shaken up quite a bit. Barely standing 5'2", she had good reason to be shaken up. She was so upset, that talking to me about it 14hrs later.. she still had that shiver in her voice.

Being the kind of gal she was.. she did what she thought any intelligent gal would do in her position. She bought a gun. Dropping her lunch break, for a trip to a local gun shop, she interrogates the guy(s) about the differences in firearms, etc. Borrowing several range guns, she steps out on the range to shoot for the very first time.

Suprisingly, she picks a Glock model 27 in 9mm.

Now armed with a newly purchased gun, a box of ammunition and a little peice of mind.. she gives her friend and wanna-be-gun-nut a call. Concerned with her new purchase, safety, education and responsibility -- she fires a barage of questions. Answering them one at a time, I reassure her that she is a strong and intelligent person and welcome her to the "gun-owner family."

Turns out that people engaged in suspicioius activities have been spotted throughout the apartment complex recently. She is also not too thrilled that she will be alone for several weeks as her beau will be out of town for three weeks on business.

This has also been a learning experience for myself.

A week ago, she laughed at me when she discovered I was armed every instance that I came over to her place.. now she realizes it wasn't something to take so lightly.

Even though she could have gotten a better deal at another store, she has come to realize that you can not put a price on your personal freedom.

I wish to purchase her a gift to further encourage her for her first steps into the world of gun-ownership. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm thinkin' Pierce grips to add a bit more stability or an organizational membership (NRA?).

What would YOU suggest?

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God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!

oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"

[This message has been edited by KaMaKaZe (edited September 08, 2000).]
 
Another trip to the gunstore to find a holster which fits her. She must have the gun accessible to her at all times and the best way to accomplish that is to make carrying it almost second nature to her. In a purse or in a desk drawer will do her no good when an assailant/intruder arrives unannounced.

Please cue her into TFL. Our members are happy to help.
 
I second Gary's suggesntion. Off-body carry in a purse is a bad answer. A good CCW holster is a must, and I would strongly encourage a trip to the county probate judge's office to start the CCW license process (which p*&@es me off, but I do it). I'm assuming Fulton County, and I'm sure that'll stink bad from a governmental inefficiency standpoint (not anti, just horribly inefficient, I'm guessing).
 
:eek: WoW :eek: ... and you make fun of my stories?

Seriously though, I'm glad that your friend is okay. Now, where to begin? With regards as what to get her, it depends on how much you want to spend. Nights sights on the gun would be nice. A lazermax laser sight that you install into the gun would be even better but we're talking serious bucks here. A box of bullets and a few targets might be a good, simple, cheap gift which would encourage her to practise.

:rolleyes: Why did she have to buy a Glock? :rolleyes:

Seriously though, I'm glad that she is okay and you are right on track in trying to convince her to practise with her gun. That firearm isn't going to be much use to her if she can't hit her target. We may not realize it, but for a beginner and a woman, a 9mm with defensive loads does has a considerable kick to it. Shooting .40S&W's and .45ACP's, I sometimes tend to forget that because most of the time I don't even notice a kick with the 9mm but it DOES recoil.

My wife, who really isn't a shooter but knows how to use a gun and goes out to the range with me from time to time, is about 5'4" and she doesn't like my 9mm's but does very well with my (now her's) .380ACP. It's a 14-round Browning BDA380. The gun is no longer made but Beretta still has a version of it and pre-ban hi-cap mags for it are still around.

Honestly spesking, I think my wife is better armed with 14 rounds of .380ACP then with five rounds of .38 special from my Taurus.

... Where am I going with this? I don't know. I lost track as I'm replying to multiple posts and e-mails at once -- oh, yeah ...

It's important that she practise with her gun and be able to hit her target. Again, I'm glad that nobody was hurt. Regards, FUD.

By the way, it feels strange seeing you here at night instead of in the morning.
 
Also, you may want to offer to help her get her CWL so that she can carry it and be better protected whereever she goes and not just at home.
 
A holster AND a CHL might be a bit pricey, but nudging her in the direction of going armed in public would be about the best "gift" you could give her, along with any other advice and encouragement you may have.

Another off the fence... :cool:

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>4V50 Gary:
Another trip to the gunstore to find a holster which fits her. She must have the gun accessible to her at all times and the best way to accomplish that is to make carrying it almost second nature to her. In a purse or in a desk drawer will do her no good when an assailant/intruder arrives unannounced.
Please cue her into TFL. Our members are happy to help.
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A holster may not be an option for her unless she wishes on changing her wardrobe. First and foremost, is to get her more comfortable with the firearm. I don't how she feels at the moment about having it on her at all times.. but we'll have to discuss that. Thanks for the input though. We plan on having an in-depth discussion this weekend.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>JimR:
I second Gary's suggesntion. Off-body carry in a purse is a bad answer. A good CCW holster is a must, and I would strongly encourage a trip to the county probate judge's office to start the CCW license process (which p*&@es me off, but I do it). I'm assuming Fulton County, and I'm sure that'll stink bad from a governmental inefficiency standpoint (not anti, just horribly inefficient, I'm guessing).[/quote]

Like I had just mentioned, we'll have to see what she feels her needs are. The last thing I want to do is pressure her into something she may not be comfortable with. Actually Jim, we're in Cobb County.. however, we could both throw a rock into Fulton. *yuk* Thank God that Georgia allows carry in vehicles without a permit.. thats a step in the right direction.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>FUD:
By the way, it feels strange seeing you here at night instead of in the morning.
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Well.. I'm slowly making my transition into my evening TFL experience rather than gettin' my fix in the morning. :D It'll be different.. but we'll see. Maybe I'll get a few posts in before I goto work (at the new place). Oh, and I knew I could count on you to find every pricey piece of equipment out there. :D

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Jedi Oomodo:
..but nudging her in the direction of going armed in public would be about the best "gift" you could give her..[/quote]

Well, we'll find out what she's up for. Looks like Sunday we'll have plenty of time to determine her needs-n-such.

Thanks for the quick replies/support.. will pass the word along and see if I can't get her to become a casual lurker/poster around here. Night all. :D

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God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!

oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
I haven't even seen this guy, and you have me impressed with how big he is ... ;)


She sounds like a very intelligent young woman. Good for her ... glad she was able to see the light before being hit by a 'train'.

She might enjoy a book or two. While I despise the sarcasm and elitism with which he treats the RKBA, 'The Gift of Fear' by de Becker is a good book re: security, especially for women. And, perhaps she is ready for 'More Guns, Less Crime' by Lott.

You can give her fish, or teach her to fish ...

Oh, and by the way ... Please tell her about Mothers Arms ( www.mothersarms.org ). We're always looking for a few good women ...

Regards from AZ
 
A practical, affordable gift would be gift certificates to a range and a box or two af ammo so she could practice. If there's a nice indoor range within reach, that would be best as it is usable at night or in bad weather.

If the relationship(s) make it practical, offer to take her and her boyfried shooting with you, so he can learn about shooting, too. Maybe make another convert.
 
Score one for the good guys :)

Oh uhh. one little thing? Glock 27 in 9mm??? THat would make it a Glock 26. the 27 is in .40.
 
Don't leave the boyfriend out. Big is good. Big and armed is better. Big, armed and trained is best.
 
Fear is a wonderful motivator......
I agree with all of the above....especially encourageing her boyfriend to purchase a pistol(maybe similiar or the same type), Push them towards getting more then the safety classes, some sort of training. Take every opportunity to shoot with them and explain the different perspectives, keeping it simple. And probably more important than all of that, do a risk assessment of her home and apt complex, and make changes were needed. Also look were she parks her vechicle and make suggestions.... There should be no dark area's for a person that large to hide in, not right up against the house....and if the boyfriend balks on spending the money, ask him what he thinks would have happened if he had been gone and she had been on the porch.....Make sure they understand that the pistol is not a majic wand and they still need to be aware of the color code, the fact that they must at all cost hit the target, and fallacy of the one shot stop, along with distance a person can cover (I dont know what your local laws are but explain and demostrate how fast a person with a knife can move and that while distance is good distance is not always going to save you.....(most people think of the disparity between a knife and a pistol and think the pistol is tops....you need to dispel that myth...
I envy you this opportunity, Ive gone through most of this with my relatives especially the females that are younger, it took with some it didnt with others, but they all are more aware and in the end that might be all you can hope for...I ran out of spyderco delicas for a while...lol....and as far as I know they are all still carrying those delicas....fubsy.
 
One other thing....its like I tell the cousin's.....its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog......It sounds like Brett had a reality check, make sure his confidence is up, If what you say is happening there he needs to become more aware and committed....fubsy.
 
FUD,
Why did she buy a Glock?
She did try out pistols at the range.
She chose the best one to fit her needs.
The sub compact Glocks are the best guns out there for their size.
I'm just glad she didn't pick a Smi... (God, I can't bring myself to even type it!) :p

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Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent

"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"

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[This message has been edited by denfoote (edited September 09, 2000).]
 
impress on her the importance of having it on her at all times, if someone is in her apartment or porch and she runs into them and the gun is lying somwhere else besides her hip, then all your hard work and teaching may become wasted.

Geez just the story alone freaks me out as the thought of someone coming outa the dark like that!!!!

Id go for the holster, and maybee a membership to the Second Amend. Sisters? or deffinatly lots of ammo to practice with!!

Good thread

IAJack
 
denfoote, when you shoot .40S&W's and .45ACP's without blinking an eye, you tend to forget that a 9mm does have a kick to it especially for a smaller woman who is a beginner. I would have advised a hi-cap Beretta in .380 (my wife has the Browning version and she's a pretty good shot even at 25 yards but put a .38 special or a 9mm in her hands and she has trouble hitting the target) -- several solid hits with a smaller caliber is better than misses with a bigger caliber (of course, solid hits with a bigger caliber is even better -- which is where practise comes in). FUD.
 
REALLY don't leave the boyfriend out. If he starts to feel that she's arming herself so she won't need him, bad things will result. All it takes is to involve him a little. A new interest or conviction can end a relationship completely by accident if you're not careful.

I believe the part about the big guy. I'm a big 'un myself, and the day you're confronted with the fact that there are MUCH bigger and stronger guys out there and your size is almost no defense is a rough one. Does wonders for your attitude, though.
 
Re: Gift

Ammo, targets and a range trip for both her and her boyfriend. Practice beats doohickeys every time. If you decide that you have to get her something that will last more than a practice session, a cleaning kit, and instruction on how to keep her new Glock clean.
Eric
 
Hearing protection- plugs and muffs- would be a good gift, as the noise seems to increase recoil and is painful.
 
Hi Kamakaze and all,

First, congrats on your part in converting a fence sitter. Scary story! Now you get the joy of looking over her shoulder as she grows confident and competent at protecting herself.

Second, as to a gift, a cleaning kit and instructions how to use it seems a good one. Or get her a holster. Nothing more useless than a gun that is not readily accessible when needed ... but you know that.

That she went down to the gun store herself and did the research to pick out her own gun speaks well of her. Most people -- male or female -- really don't have that kind of courage, but need someone else to come along and show them the ropes. She's probably already developed or is developing the mind set that will make her weapon useful to her and deadly to any intruder.

Finally, it seems odd to me that anyone would gainsay this woman's choice of a 9mm as a good defensive gun. Yes, she's a beginner "and a woman", but presumably she felt the recoil when she fired it and did not find it too overwhelming for her. I know no one meant to be condescending, but the mere fact that she's female doesn't mean that she can't effectively use a 9mm with some good instruction.

Personally I find my baby Glock a very comforting companion and it's just plain fun to shoot the cute little thing.

Give your friend my congratulations on her smart choices. She has my respect.

pax

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"Is there anything wrong with a woman preferring the dignity of an armed citizen? I don't like to be coddled and I don't like to be treated like a minor child. So I waive immunity and claim my right -- I go armed." -- Longcourt Phyllis in Beyond This Horizon by Robert Heinlein
 
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