Aurora Colorado mass stop

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I didn't follow it closely on the local news so I might have errors but.... I understand the suspect was somehow pursued to that intersection.

And I gather that when the intersection was locked down, people were ordered out of their cars AT GUNPOINT, handcuffed en masse, and waited for hours. That is not the time to object on any grounds at all - especially when looking down the cop's gun muzzle. The cop mindset at the time would make it a bad time to be legally carrying concealed.

I hope the court cases move swiftly and decisively against the City of Aurora.
 
I've been following this and it seems that the police did make an arrest in the last car they searched, which had 2 handguns in it. However these were apparently unrelated to the bank robbery.

The Chief of Police conducted a TV interview in which he praised his officers for their quick thinking and innovative policing tactics (if by innovative he means completely illegal). He prominently mentioned the arrest, and lead reporters to believe that the arrested person was the bank robber (but there is no proof that the arrested person was the bank robber {no money, just guns}).

More below...

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/1075-colorado-police-handcuff-every-adult-at-an-intersection
http://my.firedoglake.com/mason/2012/06/06/get-out-your-checkbook-aurora-co/

This looks like it was a clear violation of the United States Supreme Court’s decision in City of Indianapolis v. Edmund, 513 U.S. 32 (2000)
 
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Yes, I saw an interview with the chief of police, and the impression I had from his statements was very clearly that they had arrested the bank robber.

Further, I believe they knew at least that the robber was male, yet they pulled women out of their cars and handcuffed them.

I think Aurora, CO, is going to be needing some very deep pockets.
 
Patriot - I am in complete agreement - I would have liked to see the public revolt against the police and handcuff them to their own police cars, but I am a bit of an anarchist in that regard

As a Libertarian, I abhor the way LE at every level violates everyones' rights "in the name of safety"
 
Women can kill you too. A cop my father worked with back in the day was killed in an incident where the intial approach was made, a woman driving. In the back of the van was armed robbers, who promptly exited the van and killed my fathers friend and another cop.

From the odmp website.

The truck was stopped at a roadblock manned by several Nyack officers.

One of the female occupants in the cab of the truck told the officers their guns were making her nervous. Thinking they had stopped the wrong truck, the officers began to holster their weapons. Almost immediately afterwards several of the heavily armed men exited the back of the truck and opened fire with automatic weapons, fatally wounding Officer Brown and Sergeant O'Grady.
Read more: http://www.odmp.org/officer/10136-sergeant-edward-j-ogrady-jr#ixzz1x3bbcq14
 
Women can kill you too.
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Yeah, but then again, very few women are out there just killing cops at random. I think the point was that if they were looking for a MALE robber, why cuff all these random women too?

Maybe the Aurora cops had received a shipment of new cuffs and were looking to try them out, but this is looking more and more like a massive violation of the law and the civil rights of everybody at that place and time than it is a legit police move.
 
Am I really the first one to think of this? What if the robber was the one that sent in the tip, so he could have an easier escape route in another direction? Anyway, if I was one of the people there and I was suing for millions, I'd be willing to settle for $1 if the city fired the people responsible.
 
Judge Napolitano on the Aurora, CO cops:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/06/0...ry-adult-at-intersection-to-find-bank-robber/


The big picture here is that the police in this small Colorado town applied tactics that are forbidden by the U.S. Constitution, and which were perfected by the SS in Nazi Germany, in order to make their job easier. Nazi Germany had the lowest crime rate of any modern society; but it had no freedom. The cops and the SS regularly arrested groups until they found the person they wanted. We fought World War II in large measure to prevent such behavior by the government.

Here is the law. The government may stop a person temporarily–for a few minutes and in public–and ask questions of the person only when it has “articulable suspicion” about that person. The suspicion must be based on objective observations, not immutable characteristics (such as race or gender) or group characteristics (such as location or beliefs).
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I don't know what the crime rate in Nazi Germany was, nor what it was in the US at the time. But I also know that in spite of many people being afraid of the secret police and the SS, there were also many people who supported them, happily turning in their neighbors. After all, where do you think the SS and the Gestapo were recruited? Same with your neighbors.

Life in the 1950s may have seem idylic from the distance of a half-century but you all fail to remember the perceived breakdown in both the social order and in real law and order, although it was worse in some places than in others. People generally wanted the police to act and mostly, I'd say they still do. You people may be afraid of government (in a vague way) and the police. Other people are much more afraid of other people, perhaps with some justification.

Another thing people prefer to ignore or maybe aren't even aware of is the pressure that some have to live under. A bank is robbed, someone is killed, and there is a lot of pressure on the police to do something.
 
Clearly a civil rights violation that should result in criminal charges against all officers involved and the city should be sued out of existance...

I truly believe in supporting law enforcement but this is not acceptable for any reason..
 
I think this is going to cost that city a lot of money. Very clearly illegal. When they cuffed everyone, that scaled it up to arrest, and it will cost them dearly.
 
When they cuffed everyone, that scaled it up to arrest,
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Once, I was cuffed and the police report stated at that time I was not under arrest, I was being detained and placed in handcuffs for my protection!:eek:
 
Conn. Trooper;
That's my point to a degree. But, detaining EVERYONE? Without a description of the suspects? Seems a bit out of line to put it diplomatically.
 
I don't even have as big an issue with the detention if the information that the robber was at that loaction at that very minute, and that information was credible and reliable. I have an issue with the 2 hours. What could possibly take 2 hours to sort out?

I have detained people in good faith, thinking they may have been involved in an incident, only to find out through further investigation they were not involved. I can see that, I can't see the 2 hours.
 
For your protection,,,

Once, I was cuffed and the police report stated at that time I was not under arrest, I was being detained and placed in handcuffs for my protection!
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I hate that "for your own protection" excuse,,,
And that's all it really is,,,
A lame excuse.

It's so the officer can feel safer or establish easy control of a situation,,,
The only one I need protection from is the man with the handcuffs.

LE in general is slowly assuming authority that is not legislated to them,,,
I truly want Aurora (I lived there in the 70's) to suffer some financial damage here,,,
And if possible I would like to see the FBI come in and levy some charges for civil rights violations under color of authority.

But their argument will be that "it worked",,,
Thereby justifying a negative means with a positive outcome.

Aarond

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Can anyone tell if this is a real picture or if the kid was photoshopped in?

Aurora-brutality.jpg
 
Can anyone tell if this is a real picture or if the kid was photoshopped in?
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I think the cops with the shotgun and the shield were photoshopped in. They are in sharper focus than everything around them.

Where did that picture come from?
 
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