August 1993 reloads. Anyone shooting older.

[serf 'rett]

Coworker gave me a 3 pound tin of W231 which was 28+ years old (all he could remember was it was bought before he had his first kid). Stuff looked good and smelled good so I loaded some 9mm test rounds. Worked fine.

How long has it been since powder came in 3 pound cans?

UncleNick and Slamfire have convinced me to "rotate" my stock on a regular basis.

 

[Slamfire]

Just to scare the heck out of people, I am going to post a list of blow ups with old ammunition or old gunpowder. Posters in the threads usually don't know why their favorite thunderstick is having problems, the assigned causes can be quite imaginative, but the common thread through them all, is old gunpowder. Because of the six picture post limit in this forum, I just removed most of the pictures that were associated with each post, but if you go to the thread, you will see pictures for most of the accounts.


Signs of Overpressure in 20 Year Old Handloads

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=782395

I loaded some rounds about 20 years ago. I don't remember seeing any signs of overpressure at the time. However, when I blew the dust off and fired a few rounds last week I got a stiff bolt and flattened primers. I stopped after the second round and plan to pull the rest of the lot to verify the powder charges. Oddly enough, I still have the same can of powder that was used, but I'll probably end up dumping it for piece of mind, unless the powder charges are obviously over weight.

The cases were neck sized to the rifle. They've been stored bullet down in an MTM case within a steel ammo can.

I'd like some information on how or why these loads are exhibiting signs of overpressure. I'd also like to know if I need to change the way I'm storing my ammo.

Rifle: Remington 788
Caliber: .243 Win
Bullet: Hornady 87gr BTHP
Powder: 43.0gr IMR 4350
Primer: CCI 200
COAL: 2.697


I pulled two of the bullets and both showed signs of corrosion and exhibited a slight acidic odor. It looks like SlamFire1 was on the mark and I caught this at just the right time. I also measured the charges and both came in at exactly 41.9 grains, so that kind of seals it since these were supposed to be 43.0 grains. I'll definitely be pulling the rest of the lot.

I just finished pulling the rest of the lot. It looks like the charges were light because the powder was stuck to the inner wall of the cases. It's stuck on there hard enough that it needs to be scraped off. I may try to burn it off by igniting the primers - in the chamber, of course.

For those that think old ammo is still ok....
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/powder-keg/38539-those-think-old-ammo-still-ok-print.html

A buddy of mine took his Sig p220 .45 down the range with us the other weekend. He had some old winchester hollowpoints that looked like they had been buried for 30 years. With myself still being new to guns and shooting, i didnt think anything about it.

Well he took one shot and it blow up in his hand. Now he has shot numerous rounds through this gun without a problem, of course they were new. Anyway, noone was hurt but the sig. This is hte way the gun is stuck in. It will not budge. Id say its a nice new paperweight

Remington 700 Overpressure with 20 year old factory ammunition

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527519

I'm sighting in my Remington 700 BDL .270 / Nikon 3X9 BDC today, and I decided to rotate old stock ammo. In this case, brand new (20 years ago), 130 grain ammo by a well known US ammunition Company. I bought several boxes of this brand, same lot, back in the early 90's after I discovered how wonderful they worked on woodchucks.

So I'm firing my 2nd round... WHAM! My mild .270 rifle bellows and whacks me in the glasses, odd I thought, as my .270's never kick like that.

The bolt won't open. I mean it is JAMMED. So after 5 min of banging on the bolt with my hand (HARD),it opens Ok, now the bolt draws back hard and the brass feels like its WELDED to the bolt face. I had to use a leatherman tool to pry it out. Rim was damaged, blackened, primer floating around, etc. Bolt appeared ok (Thank the Good Lord for Remington's 3 rings of steel protecting me!), and after switching ammo and using newer stock, the rifle functioned and sighted in 100% perfect. Scared the hell out of me though! This was factory ammo too, not reloads.


Ok, so I called Remington (ammo was early 90's vintage 130 grain Rem bronze point). They only back their ammo for 10 years (expected shelf life according to Remington). Note* I kept this ammo in a cool, dry place, sealed in a US Military ammo can for the past 2 decades. I have ammo from the 50's and 60's that still shoots fine. I guess with gunpowder, it's like rolling dice.

So, I'm glad the rifle is a Remington, as it was strong enough to take the hit without any damage, otherwise it would be my dime (and hide). I had our armorer (LEO), check it out as well. The bolt face appears ok, and I pulled the firing pin, ok as well. Damn strong rifle.

That brass was warped near the rim, I hate to guess what the PSI was, I'm betting well over 80,000 PSI, given how stiff that bolt was to open. If I can get a photo posted, I will. Now I have several boxes of old .270 ammo to dispose of, as I'm not going to shoot it through my cherished 700 BDL anymore. At least the brass is still good and my right hand is still attached to my arm!
Time to go out and stock up on .270's!!!

Picher; Yes, bore was / is like a mirror. The rifle is a MINT early 80's BDL 700. No rust or pitting. She is one sexy rifle, it was love at first sight... The high gloss wood and rich, deep blue steel.... MMmmmmm!!!!

It was close to 90 on Sunday in Maine, and humid. The ammo has been stored correctly, but, after all, it HAS been 20 years or so. I know my knees are not the same as they were 2 decades ago, so I guess I can't expect the ammo to fair any better. It just caught me off guard, as I stock up on (and shoot), old ammo, and NEVER had any issue. I guess I need to rotate my supply more often...

HK Blown up with Brazilian Surplus

http://www.jerzeedevil.com/forums/showthread.php/90285-Gun-Blown-up

Hello gang i was just wondering if any of you guys have ever blown up a gun while shooting. I had the unfortunate luck of blowing up an HK-91 back around 1989. Me and a buddy of mine were buying cases of mil surplus from a company in ohio at the time in 1000 rd. cases. We had gotten a few cases from said company and never had any issues. Well the last case we got from them was from brazil cbc i believe it was. He called me and said he was having jamming issues with this ammo in his sar-48 bush gun. I told him well i'll go out with you and run some through my 91 it'll eat anything. Well the third round out of the 91 "BOOM" pretty scary it was.
I think you can have or get a bad round or lot of ammo with any manufacturer. That being said the ammo that blew my 91 up was military surplus from brazil. Thats the problem with mil surplus its put onto the market because its deemed not worthy of use for the military of said country.
So you get some good some bad you take your chances. But when your setting off small explosions with each trigger pull in your weapon anything can happen at any time with any manufacturers product.
Just be sure to wear eye and e
ar protection and good gloves are'nt a bad idea either. "-CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED- HAPPENS" you know, don't you just love that saying.
Be safe and have a great weekend.

http://www.usrifleteams.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21886
Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:29 PM

'Tailgunner', on 17 Jul 2012 - 13:16, said:

I picked up some surplus ammo a couple of years ago and had a couple of hang fires. The hammer would drop and a second later the rifle would discharge.
After that happened a couple of times, I decided I wasn't going to shoot that stuff any more. So I took the ammo apart, thinking I'd at least salvage the brass. After I'd pulled all of the bullets and dumped the powder, I tried chucking the primed cases in a vice and then hit the primers with a pin punch and a hammer. I found that some of the primers would "pop" but others would just sizzle and smoke. I'm pretty sure those were my hang fires. It was an interesting experiment.

The last surplus ammo I had looked so bad that I never fired any of it. Like you, I took it apart. The powder was clumped together. The base of the bullet was green with corrosion. I decapped all the brass, burned the primers and powder outside when burning rubbish, and sold the brass and bullets to a scrap company. Recouped a very small amount of initial price. That was the last time I got fooled on surplus ammo crap.

My guess is that most of the foreign countries that are selling surplus goods to the USA, don't care much about how they handle or store the items, as long as it gets on the shipping container and they pocket the purchase price, they are happy. Caveat emptor is Latin for "Let the buyer beware." It especially applies to surplus goods that have a shelf life. Where was it stored? How was it stored? What temperature? Subjected to water or salt air? Exposed to a structure fire? How was it transported? Etc. etc...too many unanswered questions. A deal that is too good to be true, usually is too good to be true.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7756780&postcount=6

Although it's remotely possible that a defective load (very unlikely if factory ammo) or poorly stored ammo that had deterioated. I had some H450 go bad and an "accuracy" load from a .30/06 w/180gr bullet locked up the bolt and removed case looked like a belted magnum...... but gun was unharmed.... primer was blown however and pitted the bolt face...... I pulled down the rest of the ammo and powder "stunk" like vinegar and inside of cases were turning green from acid corrosion..... Ammo had only been loaded 6mos earlier... and powder looked and smelled "ok" then.

Garand Blowup with WWII ball

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7870113&postcount=13

I have an old shooting buddy who some years ago was shooting some WWII ball (don’t know whose) but his M-1 was disassembled in a rather rapid fashion. He was lucky only his pride was hurt. He said he took a round apart and found rust looking dust along with the powder. Bad powder. Just sayin…..The op rod can be rebuilt which might be a good way to go. Op Rods are getting harder to find and when you find one a premium price is required so it seems. Garands require grease. I’m not sure if you are aware of this. If you are, please no offence taken.

Garand Blowup with old US ammunition.

http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?p=1344088

There was a thread on another forum titeled “What’s in your ammo can” and many guys had old surpluss ammo so I told this story. Ty (arizonaguide) asked that I come put it here also so here it is boys, draw your own conclutions.

Back in the mid 80s my Dad and a bunch of us went shooting in Arizona. Dad had a couple thousand rounds of WWII surplus .30M1 (30-06) ammo that looked great on the outside cut his M1 in half in his hands. He was kneeling with elbow on knee when the first round of this ammo went BOOM! We were all pelted with sand and M1 shrapnel.

When the dust cleared Dad was rolling around on his back with buttstock in one hand, for stock in the other, barrel and receiver hanging by the sling around his arm trying to yell “mortar” thinking he was back on Okinawa in battle. The blast had removed his ear muffs, hat, glasses, and broke the headlight in my truck 15 feet away but Dad was only shook up and scratched a bit once he got his wits back. It sheared off the bolt lugs, blew open the receiver front ring, pushed all the guts out the bottom of the magazine, and turned the middle of the stock to splinters.

After a couple hours of picking up M1 shrapnel we headed to the loading bench and started pulling bullets. Some of the powder was fine, some was stuck together in clumps, and some had to be dug out with a stick. It didn’t smell and was not dusty like powder usuley is when it’s gone bad. Put it in a pie tin and light it and it seemed a tad fast but not so you would think it could do that, wasent like lighting a pistol powder even. He had 2000 rounds of this stuff and nun of us were in any mood to play with it much after what we watched so it all went onto a very entertaining desert bon fire. I got the M1 splinters when Dad died last year and will post pix here below for your parousal and entertainment.

Anyway, I no longer play with any ammo I am not 100% sure has always been stored properly . . . cheap shooting ain’t worth the risk to me anymore! I still buy surpluss if the price in right but I unload and reload it with powder I am sure of or just use the brass.

She was a good shooting servasable Winchester M1 before this.

Catastrophic Failure
http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php?43897-Catastrophic-Failure

Had a bad experience a week ago. Went to the range to test fire some handloads through a Springfield M1 and ultimately it blew up.

Details: Rifle - M1 Garand, Springfield manufacture receiver (1942) rebarreled in1947.
Ammo: 3-rounds. Reloaded - full-length sized once fired Federal brass, 163 grain mechanically pulled surplus bullet, Winchester Large Rifle primers, 46.5 grains of IMR4895 powder. Powder was dispensed/weighed using RCBS Chargemaster system calibrated immediately before use. Brass was checked for OA length and was within specs. prior to loading. Bullets were seated to crimping groove but not crimped.

Third round fired and rifle disintegrated through magazine well area.

Later analysis of rifle indicates bolt face fracture and case head failure. Lower front of bolt face sheared off around ejector hole causing passageway for hot gases and fragments to enter magazine well area and blow out stock and triggerguard floorplate. Receiver held and bolt frozen in place. Bolt has been removed and shows fracturing of both locking lugs as well as longitudinal fracture back from ejector hole. Extractor has backed out. Last round/fractured brass still stuck in chamber.
Post 151
Original loads were:

1) Primer seating depth was checked by visual and finger feel.
2) The original powder was old - still in metal can and starting to show brown dust (on retrospect).
3) Pulled bullets were GI AP.

HXP at Perry . . .

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=115939

HXP 77 was the culprit. I won't shoot that stuff. A whole bunch of heavy bolt handle lifts in the 03 matches when it was issued at Perry. I have fired a lot of HXP 70, 72 & 73 with no issues at all, 03's and M1's.

Tombguard, What Ceresco is implying is that while HXP 77 ammo exhibited frequent and sometimes severe issues (excessive bolt lift force, dismounted op rods, duds, hangfires, etc.) there is the concern that other lots will have the same issues but with perhaps lesser frequency. If a manufacturing process doesn't have robust QC practices, more issues are lurking out there like snakes in the grass. I am not saying that you should avoid HXP ammo - I'm just saying that one should be aware that systemically the issues might extend beyond HXP 77 ammo

In the 2007 Perry matches it was '88 dated ammo that gave a lot of 03A3 fits on opening. I keep the saved round I had in rapids beside the silver medal I earned with 29 rounds. Believe me when I tell you it was locking those bolts up TIGHT. (As in roll out of position and beat them open.)

Stiff Bolt Handle on SC 03a3
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=92269&highlight=high+pressure+greek

Took my SC 03a3 to the range a week ago, shooting fairly good groups at 100yds (~2MOA) with unsorted HXP. Had a problem though - occasionally the bolt handle would be VERY difficult to lift open. Never had that before with new production ammo, other sessions with HXP, and never had a problem when dry-firing (snap caps, etc). Didn't break anything evident, and everything APPEARS to function correctly. The brass all looks like I expect (There is some minor pitting in the chamber which shows on the brass, but does not effect extraction), it just felt like I needed a hammer or a crow bar to lift the bolt handle sometimes (but not always). Any ideas as to what is going wrong

Typical HXP problem. It will often be hard to chamber some rounds as well. I had 3 saved rounds in 2006 at the Western Games 1903 match when round 7 could not be extracted from the chamber and no one had a BFH handy. A wooden mallet later helped extract the round. That was in a pristine M1903 Remington with a perfect chamber. All other ammo I feed it functions perfectly. I have a 1903A3 that also has issues with HXP. About 10-20% of some lots are very long in the shoulder. I have a couple rounds that won't chamber in a 1903 at all. It almost looks like I put a No-Go gage in the chamber.

If it is only when you shoot HXP new ammo that is your problem and your answer. It's a problem that has existed with a great many bolt guns since the very first day that CMP began selling HXP ammo and has been much discussed in this forum and others for several years (and see, even today). It was a common complaint among shooters for years at the regional CMP Games and the Nationals when CMP was issuing HXP as the required ammo to use. As I stated before, in 2006, if you walked the line in every relay of the 1903 match you would see shooters having to slap bolts closed and struggle to get bolts open. Many saved rounds in rapid fire were the result and the reason for the many complaints for several years.

I doubt there is a single thing wrong with your rifle or anyone's rifle that is experiencing this problem with HXP in bolt guns. If other ammo feeds and extracts without problems you have the answer already. The long and short of it .....no pun intended....is the ammo, not the rifle. HXP brass is some of the greatest re-loadable brass out there but, it often sucks the first time around through a bolt gun. Nature of the beast.

Chilean 75 kaboom on IMBEL

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=142685

Jeter's right,.....-CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED-ty brass. '75 Chilean is notorious for blowing up rifles. This one was freshly built, in spec and headspaced(fortunately not mine). It took approximately 60 rounds to find the 'bad' one. Shooter was relatively unharmed; just a few nicks and cuts. Probably has a world class flinch now. Barrel and bolt looked OK, carrier was not recovered(as in 'no one could find it'). I would not want to be in the way of a carrier that was departing the area at such a speed as to become lost.

*Note* Do not fire Chilean '75.

I wasn't present at the festivities, so I don't have pics of the barrel, etc. I was told by my gunsmith that the barrel was used in the rebuild on another new receiver, as was the bolt, so those parts were undamaged. The extractor was gone of course.

The Chilean '75 has brittle brass that tends to let go, dumping full pressure into the action. I've seen several FALs, HK91's and MG42's destroyed by this ammunition. The picture below(bad as it is)is of a different case,......not the case that destroyed the Imbel pictured above. It did destroy an FAL and I was present at this event. Pretty much the same but without the destruction of the receiver ring; receiver was bulged open at the magwell and the magazine bulged and blown out. Bolt and carrier remained in the rifle, but the topcover was blown off along with the extractor. Again, barrel

An example of powder that went bad in the can:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4702804#post4702804

Bad Bad 7.62x25 Ammo
http://www.ramanon.com/forum/showthread.php?57650-Bad-7-62x25-Ammo

You have probably read my recent thread on a CZ-52 and FTF problems. I expected it was the pistol that had the problem. A few days ago I took it to the range again with the same can of mil-surp ammo after polishing suspect surfaces in the pistol as the possible cause of its problem.

Right away I had the same FTF problem. The slide would not quite close all the way on a round. I had to nudge the slide fully into battery all too often.

So I began to think of other possible causes of the FTF and examined the ammo I was firing. I might have the answer. The surplus 7.62x25 ammo had cracks in the brass of unfired ammo! Often right where a dimple was is in the case that held the bullet head into the case. Sometimes sizeable cracks between the dimples.

Take a look at these unfired cartridges and the cracks. This defective ammo could explain my feeding problem

 

[9x18_Walther]

Thanks for posting all of those stories. It does seem like the bulk of the "accidents" are from surplus ammunition.

I was ready to buy a bunch of IMI .44 Magnum a few months ago, but read on a couple of websites that a lot of people experienced squibs with the Israeli surplus.

Like one of the stories said, the ammo is surplus for a reason. I suppose you never can tell if it is getting replaced because of its age or perhaps how it was stored.

In the case of the IMI/Samson .44 Magnum squibs, I believe the OP pulled a bullet or two and found that the powder had gotten wet and clumped together, preventing reliable ignition/burning.

 

[Slamfire]

I believe the OP pulled a bullet or two and found that the powder had gotten wet and clumped together, preventing reliable ignition/burning.

You have a link to that post? The OP is lucky his firearm did not blow up. The powder probably did not get wet, gunpowder has a tendency to get glumpy as it ages. Don't know why.

 

[Jeffm004]

Wow. I was just surprised to find the 1993, I didn't figure it would go bad in my lifetime. You would think powder manufacturers would weigh in on this stuff with, you know - data.

I'm not sure what I think at this point but a 10 year target rotation sounds about right. For me, that's going to require some trips to the range.

 

[Slamfire]

Wow. I was just surprised to find the 1993, I didn't figure it would go bad in my lifetime. You would think powder manufacturers would weigh in on this stuff with, you know - data

Ignorance is their strength. It is in no one's economic interest to educate the shooting community. Industry wants you to buy. They have zero liability if you blow yourself up, or burn to death in a house fire. Industry does not want you to be picky, they want you to buy what is on the shelf and not argue with anyone about age, or expect a discount due to age.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[skizzums]

most of us that have owned mosin nagant's and bought the sealed spam cans have seen some pretty old stuff. my first two cans were from the late sixties, the two I have know are from the 80's. Lots of folks have pre 1960 cans when they weren't even steel cored. I always pull a couple(which is extremely difficult) and make sure it smells good and comes out in separated extruded sticks, although I believe I have seen ball before... generally when I open a can I get a big whiff of the sweet 4064 like smell(kinda like sniffing a sharpie). I like the idea I see about breaking the seal a couple thou, that and shaking for the sound of loose powder(if possible with specific loading), not sure what ese you can do besides not shoot surplus, but I can't do that!!!

I am curious if Russian ammo storage is as routinely inspected at the levels that ours is, it probably is....an when they see it's going bad they ship it over here ASAP

 

[F. Guffey]

it probably is....an when they see it's going bad they ship it over here ASAP

I am sure the Russians have a phrase that goes something like "Mikey will shoot anything".

F. Guffey

 

[F. Guffey]

Anyone dig around and find older than that?

Dig? Someone will ask me if I have etc., etc.., I always respond with "I will go dig"

I pulled down (close to ) 450 7MM Remington mags and 257 Weatherby Mag rounds. All were loaded between '71 and '73. Most of the rounds would have fired, a few had powder that would not burn, then there were the cases with corrosion between the case neck and bullet. Some of the powder had caked and had to be dug out. I saved the bullets and cases, I batched the powder for disposal.

I have pulled down loaded ammo that would destroy a rifle that was loaded by someone else.

F. Guffey

 

[m&p45acp10+1]

I have some of my grandpa's reloads that I still shoot once in a while in his old Python. .38 Special reloads that were according to the label reloading in May of 1974 which happens to be a couple of years before I was born. They all go bang, and put a hole in the target where the sights line up.

 

[Jeffm004]

I have pondered the GI scrap reports indicating failing powder over time as the best "data" here. The data recorded however does not appear to be what "inactivates" a lot date code. the data is all over the map and some is scrapped, some is not. If true, abysmal charts. If in 1969 you needed some ammo to disappear for other activities, these charts take on a different meaning.

If armorers expected ammo to go bad -- the DHS, buying billions of rounds would make even less sense (1.6 Billion rounds, a stockpile that would last DHS at least over a century)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbe...ecurity-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/

If clean dry powder went unstable after 20 years for this or that, we would darn well know it and it would be on every box. Like the guys shot cleaning their gun, the ones that blow-up could be the ammo or it could be the best story they have other than "I dropped the barrel into the mud, then BAAM! cheap ammo disaster."

Money line, Alliant: Although modern smokeless powders are basically free from deterioration under proper storage conditions, safe practices require a recognition of the signs of deterioration and its possible effects.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/getting_started/safety/storage_handling.aspx

 

[g.willikers]

Rumor has it that once a box of ammo is opened, it will immediately start to spoil.
So it all has to be shot up right there on the spot.
If someone else seems to be packing up to leave and still has unused ammo from an open box, always offer to finish it off for them.
It's the courteous thing to do.

 

[Slamfire]

I know that no one seriously believes the idea that gunpowder deteriorates. This must be a lie because that would mean that your hoard of ammunition and gunpowder won't last forever. But of course it has to: you are going to be around forever and therefore your hoard must last forever.

But, if you have IMR 4007, you might want to look to see if your lot is involved in this recall.

http://www.ssusa.org/articles/2015/9/2/product-recall-notice-imr-4007-ssc-powder/

by SSUSA Staff - Wednesday, September 2, 2015

Product Recall Notice: IMR 4007 SSC Powder

IMR Legendary Powders has announced a product safety warning and recall notice for IMR 4007 SSC on the six lot numbers listed below. Find your lot number on the side of your bottle as in the below photo.
•10130139
•10131139
•10429139
•10430139
•80425139
•80426139

IMR has received reports that this particular powder in 1 lb. and 8 lb. containers may have become unstable due to possible rapid deterioration. Use of this product from these lot numbers shown on the enclosed label may result in spontaneous combustion, fire damage or possible serious injury. IMR suggests that anyone who has this product should cease using it immediately! Fill the powder container with water which will render the product inert and safe for disposal.

Contact IMR directly for more information:

IMR Powder Company, 6430 Vista Drive, Shawnee, KS 66218, email help@imrpowder.com, imrpowder.com, call 1-800-622-4366 or 913-362-9455 and fax 913-362-1307.

 

[gunnny12]

I am shooting 44 mag that my Brother left me with his Redhawk , well over 30 years and still going bang, I think got wet, as I had 3 broke primer cups when depriming.
I think they call them rings or something.





Jeff

 

[Whisper 300]

retfed

Like you, I started reloading in the late 1950's , took a many decades long hiatus due to work, family and assorted and sundry things that took place on ones life.

My only comment is this--DON'T LOOK AT THE PRICE LABEL ON THE OLD POWER AND PRIMER BOXES.

The pain is too great

Now, to answer the OP question-I still fire off some 30-06 reloads from 1959 and 1961 that I still have - all go boom. So far, no Kaboom. Will continue until they stop going bang (or I do)

Gary

edit for spelling

 

[Slamfire]

My only comment is this--DON'T LOOK AT THE PRICE LABEL ON THE OLD POWER AND PRIMER BOXES.

That is so true. Prices are rising orders of magnitude faster than inflation. Last year, a case of Eley Black box was $1200, this year, $1500. The increase was 25%! Something else I have noticed, prices don't go down.

 

[m&p45acp10+1]

I am with you guys on the price thing. A friend of mine helped with an estate. We both knew the guy. He was given a couple of the large cans of powder. One was an old metal 8 pound can of Win231 still sealed. Price tag on it was $59.95 . A brick of Remington BR primers had a price tag of $14.99 on it.

A lot of the stuff will be going to his grandson that happens to be on deployment at this time. We packed it up, and it will be stored in a climate controlled area until its rightful owner comes to claim it.

 

[Shimpy]

I have many hundreds of reloaded 44mag and 45 auto that were reloaded in or before 1972 and they shoot just as they did years ago.

 

[briandg]

I have plenty of it from that time, and just ran e few hundred of them.