Atlanta PD invades wrong home

The cause of death determination was made by the county medical examiner. The suicide incident was investigated by the DA's office and detectives from two agencies not involved in the original incident or the incarceration of the perpetrator.

Why would he commit suicide? Perhaps facing long term incarceration paralyzed from the waist down due to his wounds had something to do with it. Only he knew.
 
Just to clarify: I am not saying "kill cops now". I was saying "can we learn tactical lessons from that mess?"

US cops won't get on my bad side unless they behave the way their Soviet counterparts did. If I talk of responses to such an eventuality it doesn't mean that I consider the situation to be that bad.

Sorry if I came off too flippant. Wasn't intended.

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Oleg "cornered rat" Volk (JPFO,NRA)

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I truly wish that our LEO friends would read these comments and take them to heart. No matter how dogmatically they see the 'War on Drugs', I would hope they would begin to realize how damaging these no-knock raids and seizures are to their relationship with the citizens they are sworn to protect.

There is way too much cost from no-knocks, and not nearly enough benefit, IMHO. These damn things should be shut off before more LEO's and citizens are killed for such a lousy, worthless purpose. For example, how could anyone, in their right mind, feel that losing multiple lives over marijuana growing makes any sense at all?

Damn, I hate this subject. I really, really hate it. What a waste ... what an ignorant waste.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bruels:
I sure would like to see a reference before getting worked up over this one.[/quote]

Bruels,

I completely understand your desire to have written verification; I think the same way. I'm the friend who send the story to Spectre. So far, I have not been able to find a written version of this. All I can tell you is that I saw it on the news Wednesday night. Last night (Thursday), the station did a very brief follow-up that mainly said that the police still haven't apologized to the family.

If you want to call the TV station to ask them about it, the telephone number for WAGA "Fox5" is (404)875-5555. Their mailing address is 1551 Briarcliff Rd. NE, Atlanta, GA, (not sure of the ZIP code). Figure normal business hours for the telephone number. If I were to call, I'd politely ask if they have any information on whether or not the police have apologized to Willie Barston (or anyone in the Barston family) for breaking in the wrong door, and refer to the Wed. 10pm newscast opening story.
 
I love these threads.

It's always a pleasure to be insulted, accused of cowardice and subtly threatened all at once.

LawDog

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Lawdog, maybe you shouldn't take it personally then. I doubt anyone here is thinking "I mean Lawdog" as he is typing. But what's wrong is wrong, no matter whose toes get stepped on to point it out. I have nothing against police officers myself, but I do think that in some cases, many police officers don't think enough about whether what they have been ordered to do is right...they just assume they are the good guys in every case and that fact justifies every action.
 
If someone wants to get their jollies by being a "door man" on a SWAT Team then let them. But you play with fire and sooner or latter you get burned! This trend has really helped me expand my firearms interests. At one time I only owned handguns and kept one at bedside. Now I own 3 rifles and a shotgun and have found how much I enjoy shooting them. Now my bedside handgun has been replaced by a bedside rifle. I even found myself putting my rifle behind my pickup truck seat yesterday for a trip (first time ever) even though I have a pistol always in the glovebox. Oh well one must change with the times I suppose.
 
Oleg & SKN, From what I remember the suspect in the Orygun drug case committed suicide by hanging himself with his underwear. At least the first reports from the news were saying that. Do you have any link to the final report on that case? We had an incident where I live not to long ago where the police were serving a warrant and the suspect was rustling and one of the officers firearm just happen to go off resulting in the death of the suspect. The officer was cleared for one reason or another.

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I think it is reasonable to believe that someone paralized from the waist down has both the reson and the physical ability to hang himself.

I think that all the talk of shooting cops fails to qualify: they are talking about *rogue* cops. What we are upset about are the laws that facilitate abuses by police and people who gladly commit those abuses using the law and the badge as cover.

I also think that my local cops would gladly chew the heads off some of their co-workers because for all the misery spread by by wannabe ninjas, it is still easier to hit a beat cop using ninjas as the excuse. Would be nice if we heard of the bad apples getting trashed after some "honest mistakes".

Further, there may well not be a crisis -- most of our info comes from news sources that were proved to be less than credible. OTOH, some has been corroborated by individual TFLers.

Just hope this doesn't degenerate into wanton cop-bashing as it had in the past. Something about invariable positive experiences I had with cops here makes me think they aren't that bad.

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Oleg "cornered rat" Volk (JPFO,NRA)

http://dd-b.net/RKBA
 
Oleg, the reason you've had only good experiences with cops is probably that only the good cops take the time to treat you as a fellow human. you're not likely to run into the few percent that are power junkies or adrenaline junkies. the problem is that, if you do, things change irrevocably. that's why there's this huge perception gap; the average good cop can't understand the venom, because he hasn't been on the receiving end of the crap. and with the "guilty until proven innocent" mindset of our Puritanical culture, someone who has been raided is rarely given the benefit of the doubt when they complain about being terrorized, having property destroyed, etc.

I'm quite fortunate to live in a relatively low-crime area, in which the local departments generally don't do the "hut-hut-hut" thing. if I still lived in a big city I'd be a lot more concerned. John Q. Informant picks your name/address out of the phone book and the next thing you know, its dynamic raid time.

we don't really have any effective feedback mechanism to stop these raids. if the entry team had to go a week without pay for every raid gone awry, they might start checking the facts before dusting off the ol' ram.
 
There was a case a few years ago in Atlanta where the police got a little too anxious (I don't know if it was Fulton Co. or City of Atlanta PD).

Some undercover police saw a suspected drug dealer they were tailing go into a motorcycle shop. So, these plain clothes detectives bust through the door, guns in hand - and the employees of the shop drew and opened fire. I can't remember how many people died (2, I think) and more were wounded. After a lengthy investigation, it was determined that the police screwed up - no drugs were found, and the drug dealer (who I believe had prior convictions) was checking on his motorcycle he had in the shop for repairs. I haven't been able to find a good reference to it on the web.
 
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