Atlanta: "Firearms can get you five years."

Dennis Olson, the following statement by you is a lie:

"On the other hand, an otherwise law-abiding citizen who is exercising their right to carry will ALSO get htat same mandatory jail time."

Fact: Exile enforces Federal law and Fed law *only*.

Fact: there is no Fed law against an otherwise non-felonious person walking down the street with gun. That's one reason Vermont is so cool - there's no Fed law making what they do illegal.

Now, by "non-felonious", I mean both "no prior felonies still on your record" and "not currently committing a violent felony".

You are responsible for your own credibility, Dennis. Don't piss it away lightly.

Jim
 
Dave R - As best I remember, the NRA made two donations for advertising to the original Project Exile here in Richmond.

FWIW, I have not heard or read of any complaints about it being used against so-called innocent people in the past three years. The targeted population was drug dealers and convicted felons, and it appears to have encouraged many of them to leave their guns at home when hanging on the corner or riding around. John

And one of my favorite quotes, this one from the New York Times article in the link posted above by Meiji_man:

Project Exile is so well known on the street, said David E. Boone, a criminal defense lawyer here, that "the first thing I hear now when I talk to a client is, 'Can you keep this from going Exile?' A lot of them can't add two and two, but they know a gun plus drugs equals five."
 
I am in favor of project Exile. I do not feel that it will impact on an honest citizen that is not doing anything illegal. On the other hand a dishonest smuck that holds up the local gas station with a gun or a drug dealer caught with drugs and a weapon or the local burglar caught with a weapon while breaking in, will get 5 years tacked on his sentence regardless of what his shyster attorney bargains the original charge down too.
The other part of Exile is the criminal is exiled to a prison FAR AWAY from his home territory.
This means that the girl friend, momma and family have to travel a long distance to go see him. If they have to travel these long distances they either don't go at all or they do so less often, this makes for a lonely sentece and federal does not have the paroles like state sentencing does.
The rate of gun carrying has dropped dramatically among the local drug dealers, armed robbery with a gun and other gun related crimes decrease when this program is put into effect.
If it keeps just one innocent and I don't mean the little sh*t that is selling or buying drugs, from getting hurt, I am for the program.
By the way I understand that in a drive-by shooting EVERYONE in the car is equally guilty and all of them go to jail for an extra five years.
Just my two cents worth.
 
The intent of Exile is 100% valid; the reality is that it will destroy the lives of many law abiding Americans. I would be 100% behind it if it had the simple language that the 5 years is added if a gun is present during the commission of a felony/violent crime. Possession of the firearm itself should have nothing to do with Exile; the accompanying crime is what's relevant here.

There are alot of people on this and other boards who are already "accidental felons"-there are many examples of this-1. Imported rifles on which one has changed parts and made one error in interpreting the maze of pre-post ban regulations about US and imported parts that have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the owner will use that weapon in the commission of a crime. 2. If you purchase a "pre-ban" mag and some idiot sends you a restricted one (I've read that this has happened, even from dealers), you are guilty of a felony, plain and simple. 3. If your factory gelded 10-round Glock mag won't feed 10, as many don't (mine included), it is recommended by the Glock afficionados on GT to file the bottom of the follower legs to let the rounds seat just a little more. If you do this, and, God forbid, it is possible to stuff an 11th round in, you guessed it-it's soap on a rope time.

The above 3 examples are not actions of violent criminals or even criminals at all, yet they WILL be prosecuted. Reread Rick D's excellent post above-those of you who believe that federal agents and prosecutors only want to go after "violent" criminals and will overlook your "minor transgressions" better get your heads out of the sand.

Another issue that I have not seen yet is - What about future legislation? Every new gun bill has laws and regs that are more irrational and have less to do with the criminal use of guns; eventually, everything will be a felony(you will not be able to use a mag that holds more than 5 rounds, you will not be able to carry a pistol with a barrel less than 8", etc.). PLEASE NOTE: The 2 not-so-far-fetched examples do not infringe on your RKBA, they are simply "regulating" that right. Since we all know ss109s are cop-killers, any AR owners who shoot alot will be overnight felons when these dangerous bullets are finally banned for good. Hunting ammo will be next, since it "could" be used in an illegal manner.

It is flippin' unbelievable that those who value freedom would help to hoist the yoke on their own backs.

pojim

[This message has been edited by pojim (edited October 01, 2000).]
 
Just as an aside....

Is there anyone, any place, anywhere, on the net or real life where one could find ALL Fed Regs on firearms?
Case in point is that I didn't know about the magazine mod reg. But I know about the school zone reg. (Drive a car with guns in the trunk, though a school zone). I've have heard about that one (school zone) being used. But in the context of "Charge piling" on a Perp that was going up for something else anyway.

Anyone?.......



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