Atlanta: "Firearms can get you five years."

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KaMaKaZe

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Has anyone seen this billboard across Interstate 75/85 from Turner field? It faces East toward Turner field and is a red billboard with black writing (I think -- I wizzed by it this morning). There is a silluette of someone behind bars and some smaller print that I didn't catch.

What the hell is this all about? Possession of a firearm during a crime can get you a mandatory 5yr jail sentence perhaps? What gives? What is this?? :confused:

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"I wizzed by it this morning"? Careful, KaMaKaZe, if they catch you doing that, you won't get five years, but you'll probably still have to go to court....

I believe it's "Operation Exile" to which the billboard is referring. I think you have the gist of it. Someone else will have to supply you with the details. And next time, find a bathroom, buddy!
 
Actually.. when I wizzed by this sign, I was speeding.. not..uh.. ya know. :D

But I did "mark my territory" under the bridge before Paces Ferry on I285 a week ago today when my roommate and I were stuck (in park) on I285 for 2.5hrs.. ;)

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That is Project Exile. It's perhaps one of the most controversial programs in existence today. The only reason why that I can see is that it works. It ticks off the Anti-crowd because it ACTUALLY ENFORCES EXISTING LAWS. No new laws are needed or passed.
On the other side, it ticks off the PRO-GUN crowd because IT ACTUALLY WORKS! Watch this thread for a while and someone will come on claiming Exile to be the worst thing to come down the pike since the Act of '68. As near as I can tell the reason why is because ACTUALLY ENFORCES EXISTING LAWS!!! And of course all gun laws are bad even those that only punish criminals.
On the other board, the Politics one, there is a petition you can sign to protest Project Exile.
I'm going to shut up now I'm getting pissy.
Here is a link to the site. http://www.vahv.org/Exile/



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"Take your weapon with reluctance. Draw it with dread. Grieve for those who fall to your bullets. But make every shot count."-Robert Shea
 
It means that the mandatory jail time for illegal gun possession/use has actually made criminals in some areas LESS likely to use a gun in a crime.

On the other hand, an otherwise law-abiding citizen who is exercising their right to carry will ALSO get htat same mandatory jail time.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sensop:
"... it ticks off the PRO-GUN crowd because IT ACTUALLY WORKS!" :confused: :confused:

What's that supposed to mean?[/quote]

It means that if you forgot to dot your I's and cross yout T's with the feds you get the same 5 year mandatory sentence. Project Exile is a mixed blessing. It goes after illegal gun use of all kinds. Murder or forget your permit at home becomes almost irrelevant or it could easily become that. It is kind of like Zero Tolerance for guns. Its great if it catches a mass mrderer, but stupid if it harasses based on a technicality. The question that begs is which part of the law do we think the Schumers, Feinsteins and ATF goonies are likely to pursue?? Th easpects that can get their donut sucking butts killed, or the simple technicalities????

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"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes."
-R.A. Heinlein
 
Gun laws do not effect criminals, if joe criminal commits a criminal act with a gun then punish him for the act, not the weapon. Posession of a weapon should not even be a crime, only a crime should be a crime. I don't worry about being shot, and even if I did I'd certainly rather have the freedom that comes with it then the burden of goverment terrorism. Projekt exile is not about criminals, it never was. Our goverment needs crime so it can tighten it's strangle hold on us, w/o crime there is no public outcry w/ it the public accepts every draconian law they want to push, and with the current push for absolute gun confiscation there is no reason that I should think exile is anything other then another step in that direction. The .gov loves power, and power comes with control and control is gained through law.
 
What I mean it that it "Actually Works"

On any and ALL gun law even the unconstitutional ones. My gut feeling is that Exile is a great idea. I believe that there are enough laws on the books today to stop gun violence, and that simple enforcement of existing laws is what is required. However I also recognize that good people are going to get burned for breaking one of the thousands of unconstitutional federal laws on the books. So there is the dilemma, the courts are so screwed that they need a special program to do their job, but the program means that Justice will not be done.

I'm also opposed to "No Tolerance Laws", which Exile clearly is. "No Tolerance Laws" tie the Judges hands in cases and result in "Tweety Bird" suspensions. And, I believe, do not serve Justice.


"... it ticks off the PRO-GUN crowd because IT ACTUALLY WORKS!"
My snippy response on this is because of my dislike for radicals of all flavors. There is a segment of the Pro-gun crowd that will accept no compromise what so ever on any and all Gun Control laws. Certain members of this group attempt to discourage any law they feel infringes on the 2nd Amendment. I believe that certain members of this group (and on this board) will go after Any and All legislation that has any chance of working. The Anti's do the same thing. Each radical side thinks that their way is the only acceptable solution, and anything that might prove otherwise is singled out and attacked. Exile has just as many detractors on the HCI side then on the Pro side.


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"Take your weapon with reluctance. Draw it with dread. Grieve for those who fall to your bullets. But make every shot count."-Robert Shea
 
The pro-gun side is incensed over Exile, because it was predicated on enforcing unconstitutional federal gun laws rather than working with existing state laws. It is a federal usurpation of state police powers, an incredibly stupid thing for anyone that values the Constitution to support.

Exile even threatened to enforce the Federal ban on guns in schools that has already been declared Unconstitutional by the SC in the
1995 Lopez decision.

The NRA was a big backer of Exile and it is the first time that I know of, that the NRA has publicly taken the stance of *&^! the
Constitution!
 
If they first repeal all of the victimless unconstitutional gun laws then maybe Project Exile would be a good idea.

Do you really want someone to automatically go to jail just because he accidently put a pre ban upper on a post ban lower after he was cleaning guns?
 
I could be wrong, but if a law is unconstitutional, is there any other way to get rid of it than to fight it in court? And can you fight a law in court that isn't being enforced?

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"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
I'm all for no tolerance laws. That is, no tolerance for murder, rape, robbery, theft, assault, or fraud. Once government steps beyond prohibiting these, you can bet that someone's rights are being violated, or will be violated.

That's Project Exile. The Democrats sell the laws and regulations to the public, and the Republicans make damn sure they get enforced. Personally, I prefer unconstitutional edicts that are unenforced to those that are. In this sense, the Democrats are less dangerous to liberty than the Republicans. By all means, lock up all of the robbers, rapists, and murderers on the face of the globe. Just leave the rest of us alone.

Prohibiting ex-felons from having a weapon won't prevent them from killing you with a weapon. However, it will prevent an ex-felon who IS leading a productive life from being able to defend himself if he is targeted as a victim.

Remember how easy it is to become a convicted felon these days. Criminal Intent is not even a requirement.
 
My understanding is that the NRA is a big supporter of project Exile, as part of its "get tough on gun crime" platform.

Can anyone confirm?

I like the idea of mandatory sentences for using a gun in a violent or serious crime. I certainly don't like the idea of a mandatory sentence for leaving your carry license at home.
 
It seems to me, to be a watered down version of the three strikes law. Liberals and (God forgive me) many minorities, feel that minorities are unfairly burdened by the three strikes concept. With Exile in force, it becomes a little harder for them to defend guns and gunmen regardless of race,age or gender.
 
Let me post this again.

We here in Phoenix met with a BATF agent and a US Atty to discuss enlisting our help in promoting project exile here.

They showed us a picture of a Dallas bus with a big, long logo stating, "An illegal gun will get you five years in prison."

I told him that when I saw that sign it made me think of ME going to prison. An NRA instructor and I said in near unison, "There should be NO such thing as an illegal gun."

The US Atty mumbled "But there are." He attempted to assure me that these laws would only be used to prosecute violent criminals.

I then asked him if they found out I had the wrong muzzle brake on my FAL, would they prosecute me and treat me to five years of federal "diesel therapy"? He didn't respond.

Make no mistake about it. The tools you are giving the government to fight violent criminals today can and will be used against the rest of us tomorrow. Think not? What about civil forfeitures under RICO? That was supposed to be for organized crime. Now it is for any father who let's his son drive his car (and leaving a roach and clip underneath the seat.

Rick
"...May your chains fall lightly upon you..."

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"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American." Tench Coxe 2/20/1788
 
Despite having three guns found in the debris of my motorcycle wreck, and not having my permit in my wallet at the time, the Atlanta PD's vigorous enforcement of "Project Exile" consisted of asking me in the emergency room "Are those guns stolen?". Receiving a "no", they took them to the property dept, and gave me a receipt, which I turned over to my beau along with a notarized letter saying it was cool for him to pick them up.

Maybe it's not quite that "zero-tolerance" after all... ;)

If, on the other hand, "A firearm will get me five years", I'm already booked for fourty-five and shopping around to make it an even fifty! :D

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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
 
Shopping for an even fifty. LOL Tam.
Here in Virginia they have a one gun a month law. If my math is right and they give me 5 years each, I have found a way to live forever.
 
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