ATF To Ban Tactical Shotguns?

The Gun Control Act of 1968 banned importation of ALL firearms into the US except those deemed by the ATF to have a "sporting purpose".

The recent proposal is ATF fine tuning what it's definition of "sporting purpose" is for shotguns.

It only affects imported guns.
 
The recent proposal is ATF fine tuning what it's definition of "sporting purpose" is for shotguns.

It only affects imported guns.
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Bingo. Fine tuning is right. In 1984 and again in 1986 the BATF ruled that certain imported shotguns did not meet the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA 1968.

It has nothing to do with Remington or any other US made shotgun.
 
Raise your hand if you own a shotgun with a bore diameter of .50 inch or greater... .... ...

Now go back and read Barts last post. In particular, read what he copied from 18 USC 921.

I do read other gun forums. In all of them, those that understand 18 USC 921, understand that all the regulating authority of the BATFE come from the Attorney General delegating that authority to them.

If the BATFE chooses not to recognize IDPA, IPSC, GSSF and Three-Gun as sports, what sports are left?

If the BATFE chooses to initiate the list of Evil Modifications to Shotguns, then anything other than a plain Jane shotty, is a destructive device.
 
Every action that has banned a shotgun from import was done under the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA 1968.


IMO: Dudley Brown and his NAGR are less than credible. i have researched the NAGR very thoroughly and cannot find where that organization has donated one red cent to our cause. Beware of any organization that has a big red "Donate Now" on it's home page.
 
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natman said:
It only affects imported guns.
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thallub said:
It has nothing to do with Remington or any other US made shotgun.
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What both of you appear to be missing is that the "sporting purposes" language appears in other aspects of gun control laws as well. As I pointed out above when I gave you the citation to the statute - 18 USC 921 (4)(B), a link to the statute, and posted the words from the statute in this thread - every domestically produced shotgun with a bore of greater than 0.50" is considered by current law to be a destructive device unless it is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes.

So if a shotgun can be banned for import because it is NOT generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes as determined by the Attorney General, what does that suggest about the consequences for domestically produced shotguns?

thallub said:
Every action that has banned a shotgun from import was done under the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA 1968.
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Exactly three shotguns have been banned (in 1984) from import due to not being "particularly suitable for sporting purposes" - the USAS-12, Striker-12 and the Streetsweeper. However, an important point is that ATF had never developed at that point (and still hasn't) a formal criteria for what made a shotgun "suitable for sporting purposes." Also relevant, please note that at the same time ATF banned them from further import, they also classified those shotguns already imported into the United States as "destructive devices" under 18 USC 921 (4)(B). Meaning that not only are shotguns of that design banned from import, they cannot be produced domestically without following NFA rules.

That is what the point of the above linked study is. They are now attempting to establish the criteria for what is "suitable for sporting purposes" in regards to imported shotguns. The problem is once that determination is made for imported shotguns, it makes the status of domestic shotguns with those same features very tenuous due to 18 USC 921 (4)(B).
 
I think it's interesting that the manufacturers smelled this on the wind a few years back when they introduced all those tactical turkey shotguns.

How long have turkey shotguns with AR-15 style telestocks been available? It might be possible to argue that those are "sporting".
 
Does it really matter if my 12 gauge shotty is a tactical or sporting model?? I mean, a 12 gauge is still a 12 gauge no matter what you "package" it in!! Guess they have nothing better to do like stop the flow of arms into Mexico............:confused:
 
All the way back in the mid 1990s the ATF reclassified the "Street Sweeper" and "Striker 12" shotguns as class 3 weapons as I recall. There was some period in which owners had to register same with AFT.

This would just be the "next good step" as Mr. Schumer would say.
 
Importing Shotguns

I just found out that a suppler will no longer import the Norinco / Winchester 1897 pump shotgun. Very popular with cowboy action shooting. ATFE said no sporting purpose. I have been trying to get one for awhile now.:confused:
 
Well, that was a close one. I for one am glad that the menace of a 110yr old shotgun design has finally been ended. :rolleyes:

The ironic thing is if you had an actual Winchester 1897 instead of a Norinco replica, it could be explicitly exempt from being declared a destructive device by 18 USC 921 (a)(3)(D) and (a)(16)(A). With luck, ATF will get to defend that one in court.
 
What a dumb reply. The gun works just fine. We use it in reenactments. Live fire on steel knockdowns as fast as you can hit them. Its a tool like any other. If a USA manufacture made one I would buy it. The point is they are restricting a useful tool. FIREARM What is next?
 
Because of NFA requirements, this study is far more sinister than people might like to think. I also think that in the post-Heller era, the NFA and GCA's "sporting purpose" requirement is unconstitutional with respect to shotguns. I think the BATF is opening a can of worms here that they don't have the manpower to deal with and which is likely to get them a shellacking from Congress given all the outcry this is likely to produce. Perhaps we should defund the portion of the BATF that makes determinations such as this.
 
in case anyone doubts the intentions of ATF going forward, and that this is just a step in a broader effort, this is from page 2 of the ATF report:
"A change in ATF’s position on practical shooting has potential implications for rifle and handgun classifications as well.
 
in case anyone doubts the intentions of ATF going forward, and that this is just a step in a broader effort, this is from page 2 of the ATF report:
"A change in ATF’s position on practical shooting has potential implications for rifle and handgun classifications as well.
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That's not so much hinting at sinister intentions but recognizing that if practical shooting competitions are deemed "sporting," then there's a whole bunch of foreign firearms that are suddenly going to become importable. Making that determination would open the floodgates, so to speak.
 
Very hard to understand this logic in the shot importability it looks like this is done by someone who has totally no clue about weapons.
If it had to do with safety it would make sense but there is NO difference between a shotgun with a retractable stock or a no retractable. Keep the 922 law about the 9 US parts no American would complain about that, but loose the dumb black rifle statements.
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Lord help us all. Some folks just don't get it when their electronic devices put little red squiggles under the words they're typing.

Others simply don't understand why they're writing to the ATF, so they simply plug stuff in, as one might do with Mad Libs:

You guys have got to be kidding me. You are taking advise from Sen. Feinstein one of the most anti‐gun Socialists in Congress. You want to stop violence in Mexico? Invade. Me and millions of gun owners will not stand for any ban sanctioned by Sen.Feinstein or any Socialist member of Congress.
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Yarddawg88 also takes the opportunity to vent on a veritable smörgåsbord of issues:

This is total B.S.! I and others know your Puppet master (Obama) is pulling your strings as usual because the Socialist S.O.B. is trying to rid the Law abiding Citizens of having guns and this is just one more step to do that and you Blind Sheep are either too blind and or too Dumb to se it coming! Tell ya what, Just leave us the hell alone because we don't need you or him! Send his sorry butt back to his home country Kenya where he belongs and take his aunt with him :(
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Some days I weep for the republic.

There are a few cogent rebuttals, including the one by a Richard Todd, who goes into statistics, and a more detailed one by rawilliams273@aol.com (just cut and past the names into the "find" box to skip through the document).
 
Bartholomew Roberts said:
It appears the ATF has published a 516-page PDF containing all of the commentary it received regarding the shotgun study - inclduing the names, email addresses, telephone numbers, physical addresses, etc. of those who sent comments in.
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I never did comment, and now I'm glad that I didn't. I was very leery of sending my physical address to an agency that is busy trying to take my 2A rights. Yes, I know that may seem tin-foil-hattish, but there you have it. I don't remember seeing anywhere that they were going to publish all the comments that they got, along with their home addresses and contact information.
 
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