ATF Project Gunrunner

My personal opinion is that Issa has gotten enough dirt on on the administration and he's going to lay low with it and try some back room bargains this year. If things go as planned, he will let it drop. If he doesn't get his way, we'll see several bomb shells in August.

I hope I'm wrong though.
 
Perhaps Holder will now tru to push F&F off on these "housewives" who were purchasing firearms for the cartels. "If we hadn't done this, someone -- like these housewives -- would have."

SOURCE

ATF Busts Real Housewives Buying Guns for Cartels

Published February 09, 2012 Fox News Latino

U.S. federal authorities busted an alleged gun smuggling ring that employed young housewives and older moms to purchase assault rifles for smugglers taking guns to Mexican drug cartels.

More than 200 weapons, including AK-47s and sniper rifles, were seized and 22 people have been arrested. Many are accused of being so-called "straw buyers" — gun shoppers without prior criminal records who legitimately buy from licensed dealers, then hand the weapons to smugglers.

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^^^Was this set up to get someone's skinny rear out of a crack? Someone in a cartel paid back a favor, or snitched on their opposition? Or did ATF burn someone they had been using in F+F?

That's the problem with "lost honor"; some people will never believe the first story again, even if it is true.

And what about the firearms Holder et al have already "walked"?

Nothing has changed but the talking points, the felonies are still on the table if someone will pursue them.
 
I could be entirely wrong here, but the following comes to mind re what appears to be "administration shucking and jiving re gun control in general and Operation Fast and Furious in particular".

1. The credibility quotient of the present administration, and its' Attorney General, on a scale of 1 to 10 is likely a minus 15.

2. Personally speaking, I doubt that this administration is capable of telling the truth about the foregoing, or that if bitten thereby, that they would recognize what had bitten them.

3. Last and far from least, I submit that they have made the following calculated decision. They will go to any imaginable ends to avoid telling the truth to the American public, their chief and only concern is reelection.
 
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Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) has decided to weigh in again on this issue. The link below is to his rebuttal to a Washington Post Opinion blaming the U.S. for guns and violence in Mexico. (that opinion is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ng-in-mexico/2012/02/02/gIQAWb9CqQ_story.html)

The rebuttal was published in The National Review yesterday 02/08/2012.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290584/american-guns-and-mexican-violence-sen-john-cornyn

He points out that F&F has contributed to the numbers of guns recovered in Mexico and the responsibility those that allowed them to get there have.
It seems that some more of the good guys are starting to get tired of the same old rhetoric and bull coming out of Washington. Senator Cornyn blasted the Post, used facts and named sources. Something the other side ain't doing.
A good read. And, IMHO, something I'd like to see more of our elected officials do.
Makes me proud to be a Texan.
 
Re the Washington Post article linked CowTowner, and the "assault weapons" referenced by this Mexican official, if they were real "assault weapons", that is selective fire weapons, usually of rifle configuration, chambered for intermediate cartridges, it is most unlikely that they came from gun dealers (holders of FFL's) in this country, as true assault weapons are hard to come by, legally that is, in the U.S. They aren't all that readily available illegally either.

Funny isn't it, how "small details" are somehow overlooked.
 
Perhaps Holder will now tru to push F&F off on these "housewives" who were purchasing firearms for the cartels.
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Well, according to the Attorney General, straw purchasing is considered no more heinous than a speeding ticket, so what's to deter them?
 
Bartholomew Roberts wrote in part:

DOJ was complaining that they couldn't possibly have all the documents by the deadline given. Considering Congress asked for them over a year ago, I don't know that I necessarily buy that.

Re the above, the following com4es to mind:

1. The English translation of DOJ's complaint is as follows, it's called Shucking and Jiving. When you really don't want to respond to an inquiry, there is never enough time to gather the requested material.

2. Re the Attorney General, and his output, the following question was asked. Is he lying, which is answered by the following question. Are his lips moving?
 
Perhaps they (Republicans) are interested in stretching out the proceedings somewhat to have more of an election time impact (particularly if heads start rolling).
 
JN01, you can't be implying that there may be something political about this investigation, can you?? /sarcasm off/
I have thought that all along; they are drawing this out to the Repubican's best advantage.

Rick
 
CowTowner, in a recent post, linked 2 news stories, one from the Washington Post, I've already commented on that, the other appearing in the National Review. If I may, the following pertains to the second story.

Proir to the problem of American Guns Arming Mexican Narco-Banditos, supposedly these guns coming fdrom American gun shops, back when Ron Reagan was president, Mr. Reagan was visited by the then President of Mexico, Mr. Zedio. They spoke of drug problems in both countries, and factors related to, involved with this situation.

Reagan criticized Mexico on the basis of the corruption that seemed rife throughout its' government and political establishment. Mr. Zedio allowed that this was, to some extent correct, there certainly and sadly were corrupt officials and politicians in his country, just as there were in the U.S. There were criminals in both countries too. Interestingly however, Zedio noted, re drugs, most of the customers were in the U.S.

I wondered then, and wonder still as to why this is.
 
scpapa said:
JN01, you can't be implying that there may be something political about this investigation, can you?? /sarcasm off/
I have thought that all along; they are drawing this out to the Repubican's best advantage.
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It may be tempting to think that, but the stonewalling is on the part of the administration. I don't think the Republican's are deliberately drawing out the process, I think the Democrats are. Why? Obviously, hoping to stall long enough to get past the election before heads roll from high places.
 
three other federal agencies knew about the operation and some of their agents tried to stop it, according to the former chief of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration in Tucson
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Amazing. Everyone knew except for the AG? Even if I knew nothing else about the case I would fire him on the spot for being that obtuse and in the dark. Clearly none of his subordinates trusted him with that information and he was/ is a completely ineffective leader. It would be a virtual guarantee that he knows absolutely nothing about what is going in his law enforcement agencies.
 
Perhaps they (Republicans) are interested in stretching out the proceedings somewhat to have more of an election time impact (particularly if heads start rolling).
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I've suspected something about the timing was amiss, on both sides, for some time. That said, let's be very careful about wandering into straight politics or general discussion of the election here.
 
To me the core issues have always been:

1) The use of a federal agency, federal resources and federal funding against the American people.

2) The existance of a federal agency that seems intent on undermining the constitution of the United States.


I think the DEA report is an important piece and it shows that things are coming unraveled for the DOJ.

They've been chanting:

It was a bad tactic started during the Bush administration and we've taken steps to ensure it doesn't happen again - it's done, it's over all in the past, nothing more to talk about.

But as more and more people like Tony Coulson come forward, it should be harder and harder for Holder to say "it was just a mistake." With so many field agents and first line supervisors screaming that it was a tremendously bad idea... that it was dangerous, at some point their defense becomes implausable.

It's also going to unravel for them when Issa calls people like Elizabeth Kempshall to testify. How many people are going to tow the party line like Burke, Newell and Lanny Breuer?
 
C0untZer0:

You mention Elizabeth Kempshall . at the possible risk of sounding "out of it" or worse, who is she?

Alan
 
From the Fox News article Dead posted:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-3-other-federal-agencies-knew-about-furious/

Coulson claims he raised objections to then-DEA chief Elizabeth Kempshall, but was told it was taken care of. After attending a meeting with ATF agent in charge Bill Newell, Coulson said that’s when he and other agents “knew (Fast and Furious) was not some sort of benign, pie-in-the-sky publicity stunt. Guns were actually getting in the hands of criminals.”
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Also... I'd like to find out who re-assigned Senior Agent Ed Hammel and what their reasoning was...


Immigration and Customs Enforcement assigned agent Layne France to work alongside ATF in the operation. Sources say France replaced ICE senior agent Ed Hamel, who objected to the ATF ‘gunwalking’ strategy.
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