ATF Project Gunrunner

Bypass Congress, bypass the DOJ, bypass the current administration in Washington entirely. It's time the State's Attorney Generals of Arizona and Texas got into the act and ordered an investigation based on the deaths of Agents Zapata and Terry. The persons who purchased the weapon that killed Agent Zapata are already being held in a Texas jail. Let these criminals testify and put the heat on the ATF from another direction; a direction they can't bury or cover up.
Negligent homicide is still a felony under both Arizona and Texas state law.
 
I had thought, possibly mistakenly, based on what I had somewhere seen or read, that congress had the power to appoint Special Prosecutors.
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They used to have a special prosecutor called the Office of Independent Council, but they eliminated it in 1999 and gave those responsibilities to the DOJ.
 
I've wondered about that... why don't the states pursue a federal government or it's agents who were facilitating what appears to have been ongoing criminal activities within thier jurisdictions?

Is it a fashion faux pas? Can the federal gov just come into any state and start selling dope, or guns. or any other thing?
 
Can a president give a blanket pardon to anyone involved in a situation like this if they are convicted? (I believe so.)

What if the case is not prosecuted? Can the president give a blanket pardon for all "Crimes and misdemeanors" committed that have not been found out about yet? Sort of a blanket pardon? (I do not know if I am asking this in the right fashion, but I think I am.)
 
What if the case is not prosecuted? Can the president give a blanket pardon for all "Crimes and misdemeanors" committed that have not been found out about yet? Sort of a blanket pardon?
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President Ford did that with Nixon. (and it was quite scandalous at the time)
 
Congress cannot appoint a special prosecutor without first passing a new law authorizing it. And do you really thing O. would sign that law?
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If there is enough support in Congress they can override the veto.

I doubt the Senate would do so unless O was standing there with blood dripping off his hands.
 
Time to open a new front for full disclosure on Gun-Walker

Vanderboegh at Sipsey St. was one of the first bloggers to break this story.

Follow the link and read his latest idea to open this story up.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

Anyone who says this is like Watergate needs to understand that no one died as a result of Watergate. This administration makes Tricky Dick look like a saint!
 
And in more recent news, a two-fer:
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-...p-charges-retaliation-for-gunwalker-testimony

It appears that not only was the Fast and Furious group shipping inert grenade hulls to Mexico in order "to see if they were being used in IEDs"; but it looks like they are attempting to implicate Agent Forcelli (one of the F&F whistleblowers) in this. I'm not real clear on what was going on based on the article, which indicates that Forcelli is the subject of retaliation but doesn't make clear (at least to me) how that is going on - though it does mention that someone sent the Deputy Attorney General a package of info that implicates Forcelli in the grenade scheme but omits some relevant info (such as an email from Dennis Burke authorizing the operation).
 
Fast & Furious in Texas and Arizona. Castaway in Florida (and possibly Georgia). Now this as yet unnamed operation in Indiana. I also know two dealers in Oklahoma who have been approached by the ATF.
Folks, what you are looking at, like it or not, is a deliberate arming of the criminal element in this country and at least two neighboring countries for a yet unknown purpose. It is quite possible that this was in operation nationwide.
Is it so far-fetched? This is Cold-War theory. They used to call it "balance of power". If you can't disarm one side, you make the other side equal.
We have records that show who makes political contributions...except for one group...the criminals. Is it beyond logic to consider that the drug cartels alone could be major financial contributors to our political process? With an industry that generates hundreds of billions of dollars in profits, is it so far fetched to think that a few billion spent on political manipulation and attempting to disarm the public wouldn't be a smart thing for them to do?
If you don't think it's possible, I suggest you look at Chicago from the 20's and 30's to the present and the present state of gun control in that city even after McDonald v. Chicago. They are doing their best to insure that the status quo remains; that only the criminals, the police and members of the political machine have the right to own and bear arms.
Now apply Chicago "politics" to the rest of the nation.
And where is our current President from?
 
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^ I'm not sure what you're implying.

I believe the hidden agenda behind Fast & Furious was to provide data that Mexican drug cartels were being armed with weapons originating in America.

That data could then be used to argue for stricter gun control laws.
 
"That data could then be used to argue for stricter gun control laws. "

If the actual data do not show what you want, create new data.
 
Or it could be used to bolster support for the ratification of the UN Small Arms Treaty (in "repentance" for illegally funneling weapons to other countries) which would eventually lead to a disarming of US citizens and, just like Chicago, leave only the government, law enforcement and the criminals with weapons.
As far as criminals funding politicians, a sizable portion of politicians in this country are either denied office or removed from office by their criminal activities so possibly being financed by criminals isn't a stretch. Obama had Raines and Rezko and an entire organization called ACORN.
 
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It would seem to me the statue of limitations would come into play if a new president and AG were to come in. What is the statue of limitations on some of these alleged crimes?
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I have always wondered about statues of limitations myself. I wonder if for these crimes the statue of limitations would look more like this:

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or this:

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I could be very wrong but I think a statute of limitations is for "bringing" the charge against someone... Once the charge is brought, it can take longer than the statute of limitation to prosecute this.

Brent
 
More news on Fast and Furious:
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/0...u-s-attorneys-office-implodes-over-gunwalker/

Apparently, the Phoenix USAO will no longer prosecute Fast and Furious related cases because they are so involved in it that they cannot credibly bring charges without creating conflict of interest problems. Federal prosecutors from Los Angeles and San Diego will take over these cases - raising the very small possibility of a criminal investigation of the Phoenix USAO by the LA and San Diego USAO.
 
I think the prosecutions for straw purchases - the cases against the gun runners - are lost causes.

Maybe the motivation behind moving forward with prosecutions is some attempt to walk a line between saving face (getting succesful prosecutions) and not losing face (having the the brain trust behind this debacle put on the stand).
 
They want the prosecutions to fizzle for a very good reason. The criminals have every reason to tell exactly what happened and who was involved in order to cut a deal. The ATF doesn't want that because the Agents would then turn around and tell who ordered the action instead of facing charges.
It's better for the ATF that most of the straw purchasers and smugglers never go to trial.
 
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