ATF Project Gunrunner

"Darrell Issa knew about this alll along and he was OK with it. "

I do not believe that Mr. Issa was told that approximately 1700 guns would be allowed to fall into the hands of the bad guys. No arrests, no tracking, no nothing.

Was he told they wanted to bust some straw purchasers? Probably. But they didn't bust them, did they?
 
If we are to take at face value the claim that Issa knew moths ago (which I do not), how is it that no one at ATF, DoJ or State knew?

News outlets like WaPo and NYTimes should be ashamed of how they have avoided this story for 6 months and now come forward with such drivel. They are bending over backwards to cover for their chosen messiah and his lackeys.
 
By the way, did anyone else notice that the author of the Washington Post jab at Issa was Sari Horwitz? This would be the same reporter who was just suspended for three months for plagiarism during coverage of the Jared Lee Loughner story.

I guess WaPo has its A-team on the story.
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By assigning her a creative writing task, they could be better assured she wouldn't engage in plagiarism.
 
Just for fun...

Jan 27, 2011: Senator Grassley asks ATF for a briefing on Project Gunrunner by Feb 3.
Jan 31, 2011: Grassley writes Melson (ATF) and Holder regarding potential whistleblower intimidation.
Feb 04, 2011: Asst. U.S. AG Weich denies guns were ever let "walk" from ATF.
Feb 09, 2011: Grassley letter to Holder, complaining of delays and denials. No briefing.
Feb 16, 2011: Grassley to Holder: ATF briefing inadequate and briefers could not answer specific questions. Grassley demands certain specific records from DOJ.
Feb 23, 2011: CBS News is the first TV News org to "break" the story to the public.
Mar 03, 2011: Grassley to Holder: Where are the documents? And DOJ denials "don't hold water".
Mar 03, 2011: CBS News Airs 2nd segment on Gunwalker scandal

Mar 04, 2011: Rush Limbaugh picks up the story, airs to 20M listeners
Mar 05, 2011: All key ATF-Phoenix players summoned to D.C. for Monday meeting (Mar 7th)
Mar 06, 2011: Mexico officially requests information on Fast & Furious
Mar 08, 2011: Grassley asks for an independent investigator for Project Gunrunner
Mar 08, 2011: CBS airs 3rd segment with ATF agents commenting.

Mar 09, 2011: Napolitano denies knowledge of Gunrunner to Senate Judiciary Committee
Mar 10, 2011: Holder to House Judiciary Committee - allowing guns to fall into criminal hands is wrong.
Mar 19, 2011: House Oversight Chairman Issa demands documents from DOJ/ATF
Mar 29, 2011: Issa asks Sec.State Clinton why State has not provided documents to Grassley.
Mar 31, 2011: Issa issues House subpoenas to ATF's Melson to appear and provide documents by Apr 13th.
Apr 02, 2011: Wall St. Journal and Washington Times begin reporting.
Apr 20, 2011: Issa to ATF's Melson, threatens to initiate contempt of Congress charges.
May 03, 2011: Holder before House Oversight committe says he only heard about Project Gunrunner "a few weeks ago" in the media and denies ATF had anything to do with CBP Agent Brian Terry's death.

Looking at this, Holder is either clearly lying or totally incompetent. Doesn't a letter from a Congressman deserve his personal attention? If so, he can't claim he first heard about this in "the media". If not, he has more serious problems than just this scandal.

We still don't have a definitive answer if either of the AK's found near Agent Terry were acutally fired and/or if either weapon killed him. No report has been issued from ATF/FBI/DHS.

We still don't know who authorized the project. Now think about this. It is now at least 3 months since Issa asked for documents; six months since Grassley asked for the same. And DOJ still cannot identify who authorized the mission? Helloooo? The U.S. Navy Seals dropped in, located, killed Osama Bin Laden, positively identified his body and gave it burial at sea all within 24 hours! And DOJ can't figure out who approved or authorized Fast & Furious in an agency full of CYA lawyers?

You don't need a Ph.D to smell something rotten in DOJ and it's not the fish from Denmark.
 
Jon Stewart of the Daily show did his piece on the ATF operation. If you do not believe how stupid these folks were this removes all doubt.

The piece wasn't that humorous to me as it made me angry but it puts the whole thing in a nutshell in a few minutes and shows that AG Holder is engaging in a cover-up.
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I thought putting microphones in all bullets was a pretty amusing suggestion. :D
 
We still don't know who authorized the project. Now think about this. It is now at least 3 months since Issa asked for documents; six months since Grassley asked for the same. And DOJ still cannot identify who authorized the mission?
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WE don't know, but I am sure DOJ and higher-ups know. They CAN'T tell us and admit all these sterling people are not just idiots but liars and up to their eyeballs in illegal acts relating to providing firearms to criminals, without considering the collateral goal of creating a situation to justify stricter gun controls (the "Reichstag fire gambit" of making emergency law).

Holder, Napolitano, Obama and major staffers, Melson, Traver and more had to be either giving orders or getting information. A supervisor venal enough to be "giddy" at finding walked guns at crime scenes is not going to keep this to himself but will want kudos from above.

Just when I think the bar cannot go any lower, some one of Obama's boyos finds a way to dive deeper into the cesspool. A never-ending story...:barf:
 
This fiasco is enough to inspire lawlessness from the people.

We have more people incarcerated than any other nation. When it hits 51% we switch sides. :)
 
This Administration is arrogant enough to believe they can do whatever they want and get away with it and so far they are correct.
 
Bart? Everyone? I was wrong. It appears this is not going to go away with the Melson sacrifice.

Issa has answered the Wasington Post article via The Daily Caller: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/23/issa-camp-says-washington-post-wrong-on-gunrunner-story/

The central question being, if the ATF/DOJ had briefed Congress last year, why have they denied everything this year? I would suspect that this "anonymous source," if credible, has just set up the ATF/DOJ for perjury charges. Regardless of that, this does tend to show that certain people in the administration are very, very worried.

Nope, this is going to continue gaining legs.
 
I also notice that Melson hasn't confirmed his resignation yet. I wonder if the Administration thought that forcing Melson out and replacing him with Travers was going to solve their Gunrunner problem? Be interesting to see if they go ahead and throw Melson under the bus now that they know it isn't going to help any.

I've got to say, if this is "the Chicago way" it is no wonder that town is such a mess. Some of these tactics are so ham-handed and over-the-top that if even if the setting was a Gestapo officer using them in an old WWII film, I still couldn't buy into it. I guess truth/desperation is stranger than fiction after all.
 
Ironic how they had to get FFL's to circumvent the law in order to get guns into Mexico and show that our laws are too lax.

:mad:

--Wag--
 
Ironic how they had to get FFL's to circumvent the law in order to get guns into Mexico and show that our laws are too lax.
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Very nicely stated, Wag.

These people are sophisticated incompetents, credentialed twits, who are too clever by half. Definitely a triumph of self-esteem over real intellect. I had an inkling this might really show up, as the only Democrat with low enough standards to run as Obama's No. 2 is Biden.
 
I would suspect that this "anonymous source," if credible, has just set up the ATF/DOJ for perjury charges.
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So, according to a journalist once guilty of plagiarism, we have a suspect source leaking details of a "classified" meeting.

Oh yeah, it's all coming together, now...:rolleyes: Between trying to defame Issa and throwing Melson to the wolves as appeasement, the DoJ isn't exactly helping their case.
 
We can hope that Issa's investigators and staffers are working hard to put together a whole picture here. DOJ is going to hold ATF at arm's length while holding their collective noses, claiming that it was "within ATF" and DOJ wasn't in on the details.
(Well, except for U.S. Attorneys Lanny Breuer, Burke, and Hurley)

Like Iran-Contra, Issa may be well advised to serve a subpoena on the DOJ's data-center to preserve emails and to print out all related emails, meeting agendas and electronic meeting calendars. These may be enough to provide the "smoking gun" (pun intended) that DOJ knew of the program.

Let's hope their continued attempts to cover up, misdirect and obfuscate are as clumsy and as transparent as the WaPo article. If so, by the time Issa convenes the 3rd set of hearings, the only question will be if Holder is roasted or crispy BBQ'd before it's over.
 
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