Assume you had these guns, and you had to choose one

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bdog

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Glock 19 with hicaps 15rnd of 9mm
Glock 23 with hicaps 13rnd of .40
HK USP 40 with 10rnd of .40

Assume that you have similar accuracy with each gun and that you feel comfortable with all of them. Primary uses will be home defense and concealed carry. Note that while the HK is larger then th glocks I can adequately conceal it.

Financial reasons dictate that I sell two of the guns. Which would you keep?
 
Glock 19

I would choose the glock over the HK because of the duribility issue alone, plus the fact the Glock has fewer parts.

9mm over .40 for lots of reasons. Less expensive, easier to find, and you cannot prove to me a .40 is really all that much more effective than teh 9mm. You said not to include the accuracy issue, but yoyu cannot leave it out. In most cases the 9mm is more accurate than the .40.

thanks

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PeterGunn
 
Glock 19

I would choose the glock over the HK because of the duribility issue alone, plus the fact the Glock has fewer parts.

9mm over .40 for lots of reasons. Less expensive, easier to find, and you cannot prove to me a .40 is really all that much more effective than teh 9mm. You said not to include the accuracy issue, but yoyu cannot leave it out. In most cases the 9mm is more accurate than the .40.

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PeterGunn
 
Agreed, Glock 19. 9mm IS more accurate than .40. It also has much less recoil. In fact, even the .45's recoil is much easier on my hands than the sharp-snappy .40.
 
Well ... I live in Kalifornia and I am not really fond of the Glock design and I love my HK compact in .40, but I'd still keep one of the FULL-cap versions 'cuz when the finances improve next year I can go down the street and buy another HK with a 10 round mag ... and you can't buy a full-cap here at any price! Geography CAN change your point of view.
saands

[This message has been edited by saands (edited September 26, 2000).]
 
I'd take the Glock 23. Not to start an argument or anything but there is no evidence of any cartridge being more or less accurate than any other. I prefer the added knockdown power of the 40S&W and I am every bit as accurate with it as I am with a 9mm. If you think that 40S&W is inaccurate, well maybe that is just not the caliber for you.
 
Glock over H&K for durability? NO WAY! I had a USP (full size) 45 that was "hell for stout"!. bdog; Don't worry about all that hi-cap garbage. As a civilian you'll never need more than 10 rounds of FORTY! Best, J. Parker
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bdog:
Financial reasons dictate that I sell two of the guns. Which would you keep?[/quote]

I would get a second job and keep 'em all. If that's not an option, the G19.
 
Can't recall the magazine and the edition in which it appeared, but a fellow did a survey of officer shootings (GG v. BG) in which one shot was used to stop the BG.

Number one cartridge: 155-gr. .40 S&W. Number two: 125-gr. .357 magnum
Number three: 165-gr. .40 S&W

115-gr. 9mm was sixth or seventh on the list, and it was the highest of the 9mm's (and the only one to make the top ten).

Based on that, I'd have the G23 with 13 rounds versus the G19 with 15 rounds.

But that's not the only consideration. I have two handguns (G21 and G19) that I got because of the availability of surplus military ammo. The .40 S&W is definitely a main-stream round now, but there's not much in the way of full ammo tins waiting for me to pick them up at serious discounts.

Decisions, decisions.
 
Glock 19 ;)

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If finances are a problem stay with the G19 because practice ammo is cheap and good 124gr bullets will serve you well. But if you really want the extra stopping power go with the .40 cal. Take the two out and shoot bowling pins with them and see the difference for yourself. The .40's push the pins over much more decisively. H&K are fine guns but when it must not ever fail, I go with Glock.
 
I'll second the BS call on the Glock being more durable than the H&K. Get a questionable cartridge and the Glock goes kB!, the H&K keeps on ticking.

Personally, I'd keep the H&K (and get at least one 13 round magazine).

Keep the one you like best and shoot best.
 
G23 hands down. This business about Glock kB! is exagerrated to the point of being urban legend. Thousands of G23/G22s are in service all over the world with police and civilians. You've got a better chance of being hit by lightening than having your G23 kB!

I can tell no recoil diference between a G19 and a G23. A Mak recoils much more than either one of the Glocks.

If finance are a problem keep the G23. If you ever need to perform any repairs, such as replace springs, all you need is a quality punch and some patience. Can't say the same for the H&K.

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I already have a Glock 23. I shoot really well with it. I am getting a Glock 19 eventually, mainly because I do not have one of those. I would not mind a USP, but being left handed, I do not feel like pulling teeth in order to have an H&K armourer convert it to MY needs. That all said and done, heck with it, I want them all.

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I'd hold on to the 23...It's the perfect blend of size,power,accuracy and reliability all in one little package .....Remember....All those Cops and Agents cant be wrong.....Out of all the preban mags,they are the hardest to find...and if you do find them,youre gonna pay.....The 19's pretty nice too but the 23
just plain rocks.....
 
Thats a no brainer. The 23. The HK has more muzzle flip than the Glock 23 due to its higher bore axis. The 19 shoots a weaker caliber than I prefer. The 40 is powerfull enough and has adiquate accuracy. I would prefer the 32 in 357 sig.
PAT

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J Parker quote "As a civilian you'll never need more than 10 rounds of FORTY! Best, J. Parker"

What are you a spy for HCI. In most situations you are right but the exceptions will kill you. I am not saying that your a fool for carrying a 10 round gun. I am saying it is foolish to speak in absolutes like (YOU WILL NEVER NEED) . Thats bull pucky. You don't know what you need till you get there. That being said I have a USP in 45 Full size. I like the gun but its not as good as the GLock 21 that the department issued me overall. Its no more accurate and its top heavy slide makes it have a lot more noticable muzzle flip. Its a good choice for those who prefer DA/SA autos and want the durability of a Polimer frame.
PAT

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