Assault Motorcycles

Zach Vonler

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From the current (July 2000) issue of Motor Cyclist:

"It's official: According to sister pub MCN, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha -- along with top European manufacturers such as Ducati -- have signed a five-point plan of self-limitation to avoid outside governmental legislation concerning top-speed limits. The plan's main points: (1) Manufacturers will stop using top speed as a competitive marketing tool; (2) During 2000, no new models capable of exceeding the speed of the current fastest production motorcycle will be launched; (3) By 2001, all production bikes will be limited to 186 mph; (4) The manufacturers will retain tight control over factory race kits that are sold for race purposes only; (5) The policy will apply worldwide."

Hate to sound paranoid, but it seems obvious to me that just limiting the top speed isn't going to be enough. These horrible machines have acceleration well beyond any reasonable capabilities. "Do you really need to be a 1/4 mile away in less than ten seconds?" (There are times when I would say yes.) And once they can't accelerate or cruise at high speed, there's no reason to have an engine bigger than, say, 300cc.

This scares me because it's exactly the sort of thing that can happen to a small community of enthusiasts when the Majority that Knows Better decides to take over. It's true that I don't really care about how fast a motorcycle can go, but I do care very much that it isn't arbitrarily limited (and please, 186 mph is arbitrary).

This "plan of self-limitation" sounds a lot like what S&W did for Clinton. It makes me feel a little better though to know that there are at least enough gunowners paying attention in this country that a big stink was raised and S&W may now go out of business as a result. However, just imagine if all major firearms manufacturers had signed that agreement -- we couldn't really boycott all of them. The list of manufacturers above make probably 98% of the (non-Harley) motorcycles that you see on the street.

Just a reminder that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
 
Zach, it was just a couple of years ago that American Motorcyclist showed a list and a mocked-up photo of what the ambulance chasers had in mind for cycles: airbags, Kevlar leg protectors, brake lights 4 feet off the ground, and a whole host of other ****. It looked like an Erector Set convertible.

It's these same folks that are after us, and after every other group and industry. Did anyone notice that our friends at the CDC have said that _beer_ contributes to the spread of sexually transmitted diseases? Care to take a guess where _that's_ headed? Do you think maybe some group of lawyers is looking at Miller or Budweiser as a source of $$$ for their new estates?

Grrrrr.

Dick
 
Has anyone out there ever driven a bike at 186 mph? If you hit a rabbit, skunk, oppossum, or the a rhino rat (armadillo, also referred to as a mobile speed bump) you are going down hard. Even on open stretches of Texas highway my bike is still pulling at a registered 160 (not really going that fast), but let me tell you at anything over 130 for more than a mile and I am ready to change underwear.
 
If you haven't already, join the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA). I joined 20 years ago when Joan Claybrook, head of the NHTSA under Carter, said if she had her way motorcycles would be banned.
 
My fasted waas 155 on a heavely modified Kaw.
My HD would only do 135 even after modified.Both too fast for a lot of people to handle.I was younger and dumber at the time but had a lot of fun doing it.The goverment has to get into all portions of our lives.The more they control us the more we will be better little slaves.

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Motorcyclists and gun entheusiasts have common problems. So many sub-catagories that it is difficult to get em all to unite for fighting.

Jimmy Carter's sister Gloria was into biking, didn't think much of his politics either.

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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
The hi-cap, polymer and metal, small bore buzz bikes are probably a great ride. The sound of angry hornets, leather body suits in flashy colors and full face vented helmets are everywhere these days.

Me? I like the classic lines of the big bore doubles myself. The sound of distant thunder, no windshield, a trooper helmet, wrap around shades and strained bugs for an "on-the-road" snack...

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Yeah! that's the ticket!

Mikey
 
Oh, That's nothing!!!

Look what OSHA's had in mind for our fine Cowboy's since 1972!!!!

http://www.hsegroup.com/hse/text/cowboy.htm

What a hoot! I can actually see this happening now, even though I was ROTFLMFAO then.

Best Regards,
Don

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Phil:
If you haven't already, join the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA).[/quote]

Thanks for the plug Phil. Like the NRA, we need all the members we can get to fight legislation aimed at us.

Joe/Ga
AMA Congress Delegate
 
186 mph on a bike is too fast for me, but if they do that to bikes, could the auto mfgs. be far behind? The gov't. will say,'Well, the bike companies did it, why won't you guys?'

Donny, did you get that out of Mad Magazine? I remember they put something like that together for autos about 25 - 30 years ago, when the gov't. was pushing for all the different safety feathers(oops! Freudian slip)features. Funny then, funny now.

Mikey, nice scooter. I miss my Maxim 650.
 
Porsche already limited speed back around 1990. The people buying the cars had more dollars than sense and were wrecking the cars. One woman even sued because they didn't warn her of the potential of the car. I think that it was voluntary with autos though becasue the Jaguar XJ-220 was designed to be able to go 220 mph. My Mits 3000 GR VR-4 had a 180 mph speedo, but was electronically limited to 157. I don't know if GM Corvettes, Camaros, and TransAms have limiters or not. On the 3000GT the chips could be changed out that did away with the ignition interupt and I am sure that will be available in the aftermarket for bikes too. In fact it is already being done with Buell because the ignition box the bike is sold with is set up so it would meet emission standards, but by swapping out the box you can pick up about 15 more hp. One difference is that a car that will do 186 mph will cost $90,000-$250,000, but a motorcycle is only about $10,000 with the same top end.
 
The fastest I've had my HD up to is 115 for a couple of miles on the Lonely 50 in Nevada.
That's enough for me. But, if somebody else wants to run at 190 mph, why not? I remember awhile back seeing a photo of the rider (forget his name) who set the land speed record for a production bike on a Vincent Black Shadow at 175 mph, a record that held until just a few years ago. To do it, he had to strip down to swim trunks and lay horizontal on the bike. No helmet, no protection of any kind. OOOOHHHHH, that's so bad, we have to ban swim trunks on bikes, too.

Dick
 
Betcha this idea dies a quiet death. Not that it matters, if they set the limit at 186 MPH. I know of no circumstances when a prudent rider would pull 186 on a public throroughfare.

Dave Scott
'95 Honda Gold Wing
 
Most of the faster cars have speed governors on them. For some of them, it's because of the tires. The OEM rubber wouldn't stand up to sustained speeds above their governed limit.

Mercedes and BMW now have an agreement where they limit the speeds of their cars, I think to 155 mph. This was done partly to try to avoid the wrath of the Greens in Germany.

Jared
 
I hate to say this, but I think that the motorcycle munufacturers brought this on themselves. If they didn't use top speed as a marketing tool, nobody outside the motorcycling community would notice. Another contributing factor seems to me to be the number of college freshmen who walk into dealerships with next to no riding experience and are sold 600 - 1200 cc sport bikes. (The only reason that I survived my first motorcycle (a '70 Norton Commando) was luck.)

Maybe the answer is a graduated licensing system like the German system - beginners can ride up to 250s, a few years' experience allows 600ccs, etc.

Although there are many places near here where 186 would be doable (aside from birds and other small critters), I get real twitchy at anything over 130 nowadays. Still, I have 35 years of riding experience, including roadracing and motocross. While I might never choose to ride (again) at over 150, the feds have no business (and no constitutional authority) to limit what I can buy or ride.

db
 
FWIW, 186 mph translates to 300 kilometers/hour. That's why the funny number.

I can't honestly tell you how fast I have gone on a bike, but it was up there somewhere. The scary part was that when I backed off on the throttle, the back end of the bike started oscillating so bad (shimmy or whatever you want to call it) that my feet were knocked off the footpegs. I was just hanging on to the handlebars for dear life! And no, I was not wearing leathers when this happened so I would have been ground down to a mere grease streak if I would have wiped out at that speed!

I have gone a documented 155 in a car though....right past a radar police car. I went by him so fast that he just turned on the lights and turned them right back off again. Needless to say, I got off of that intersatae as soon as I could before his brothers could set up a roadblock. Ahhh for the days when I was young and stupid (and though I was immortal!)
 
Jeff,

I had no idea that you were a VR-4 fan! I am on my second one now.... best sports car for $$ on the planet. Having cruised at the limiter several times and gone comparable speeds in two different Corvettes, I can assure that AWD and 4WS is the way to go.... To beat the VR4 (or RTTT) you literally have to spend more than twice as much for a Porche TT/AWD.

Back to the original topic, my VR4 is faster top end than my carburated Ducati 900, but the duck is whole heck of a lot quicker to its top end of just under 150. Most people with sport bikes never get close to the top end of their bikes, or do it once and decide they can say BTDT and never do it again. The danger with bikes is the crazy acceleration, especially with a torque monster like the duck or a Vmax.

I have a guy who wants to buy my duck and I was seriously thinking about upgrading to a 996 FI model anyway... After reading this thread, it makes me feel like I did when I bought that Colt Sporter Lightwieght in 1993 for under $500: I better get my Pre-ban 996 before the prices go up!

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I've owned motorcycles my entire life, even had mini-bikes before I got a license. I've had very fast motorcycles and some that weren't so fast. Whether a person decides to take his bike to speeds exceeding the posted limit or not, should be totally up to that person. I've lost friends going over 100 mph and a couple going less than 5 mph. Helmets don't help at any speed if you get a street sign through the chest, and only serve their true purpose...that of a brain bucket.

But the discussion about driving a motorcycle or a pick-up truck shouldn't be about what's good for "most" people, but what's good for the person driving. Driving free, living free, being free. What a life that would be to do whatever we wanted without some bureaucrat thinking up new ways to restrict those freedoms. There should be lanes available for granny drivers and lanes available for those who want to feel the freedom of breaking the sound barrier. There should also be a lane available for those that prefer to be told what to do and when to do it...next 5 miles, speed limit 45, stop ahead, yield right of way, no right turns, school zone, no stopping, standing, or scratching your ass. Ahh to be a free man again...what a joy that will be.
 
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