Asked this in reloading but nothing

Besides all of the advice, I am wondering if the ram is pulling the wad ever so slightly back up the hull when he seats it? I used to get that now and again, especially with 28 gauge. Just another possibility - I still think there's 10# of you know what being stuffed into a 5# paper bag........or the wad is wrong for the hull used (straight wall versus taper)
 
I had my wad pressure set above 50 for the 2 3/4 shells and last night when I did the steel loads I increased it to 80. It lets the plastic tube pop out sometimes so I have to be careful during the crimping.
 
OneOunce might be right here ...( not that he isn't often, but ) ...:D

There was a guy at my gunclub the other day having an issue on his crimps / using a MEC Grabber ....and he broght his loader in for "the guys" to take a look at it - and the outside of the "ram" on his press had so much plastic residue on it ...it looked like "candle wax" ...dripping down the ram ...

and somebody suggested he clean it off .... and then try it again ....

I don't think it every occurred to him / that he had to clean and lube a loader ( or his shotguns for that matter...). We all had a good laugh, at his expense, which is a little mean ....but you would have thought it was pretty obvious ...that the loader didn't come out of the box that way ...
 
I had my wad pressure set above 50 for the 2 3/4 shells and last night when I did the steel loads I increased it to 80. It lets the plastic tube pop out sometimes so I have to be careful during the crimping.
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YIKES!:eek:

I use ZERO wad pressure with modern plastic wads in plastic hulls - something's not right here - I noticed your powder charge - 38 grains - and that is per the recipe?(Asking cause I don't reload for waterfowl)

Looking at Alliant - I do not see a steel recipe with the Fiocchi hull, and only ONE recipe was over that 38 grains - most were at 29-33 and no overshot card (which takes up space)

Where did you get the recipe?
 
1-0z said:
Besides all of the advice, I am wondering if the ram is pulling the wad ever so slightly back up the hull when he seats it? I used to get that now and again, especially with 28 gauge. Just another possibility - I still think there's 10# of you know what being stuffed into a 5# paper bag........or the wad is wrong for the hull used (straight wall versus taper)
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Oneounceload makes an interesting point. Back in the day, I loaded Federal paper .410-bore hulls with individual card and fiber wads. (My neighbor was moving and gave me 5,000 once fired hulls.) After I burned up the 10 cases of papers, I went to Double-As. Using plastic wads, I couldn't get the AAs to work at all in my old MEC Jr.

The wad ram had been too large in diameter to accommodate the plastic wads. I had to turn down the little wad ram tube the equivalent of the thickness of the wad petals. Then it seated the plastic wads just fine without trying to withdraw them as it had done previously.

With the .410-bore, using plastic hulls and wads, there's also the problem of trapped air that I described earlier.
 
( I trap a little air once in a while too ...) can't help it ...:D

Yeah, 50 lbs is way too much wad pressure ....holy cow man ...:eek:
 
Are you weighing the shot or are you using a steel shot bushing? Steel, weighing less than lead, volume is different. Again, Alliant sites shows NO loads with Fiocchi hulls.......
 
I found this link on-line for recipe data with Ballistics Products Inc and the Ranger Wad ( which I have no experience with ) ......and the Fiocchi hulls ...

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/VP65 data.pdf

and it looks like this must be a recipe similar to what you're using ...

but it is interesting that in Alliants own site --- they don't list the recipe at all for Fiocchi hulls. I don't know what to tell you / other than what we've been saying - about internal column height. You probably bought this 100 shell kit from BPI ...and if you bought it thru Midway - maybe they can help you figure this issue out ??

Personally, I would say trust the Powder Mfg's recipes first / and switch hulls ...and wads .... and at least to do some testing and see if you can get some better crimps. If you have a buddy that is loading steel ...talk to them / see how their shells look and what they're loading ...for components. Maybe they'll donate 50 wads and some hulls to you for your research and learning curve ...and you can replace them later when you decide on what you really want to use ...

Good Luck .... I'm out of ideas to help you ...maybe somebody with more experience with this Ranger wad and Fiocchi hulls will pop up to help you ...
 
I would go back to the beginning and double check the weights of the powder and shot - there's a reason this load is opening - since the new hulls were included, wads and overshot cards - IMO, it has to be involving the powder and or shot charge
 
I just realized something! You're using an 8 point crimp starter! Not a good idea. Any new hull I load gets a 6 point crimp. I use a brass mec crimp starter, the new plastic ones don't cut it. Neither do the plastic Hornady crimp starters.

Okay, I know the metal mec crimp starters are no longer made. But even the plastic ones work, as long as you make sure you get the crimp completely formed. I guess that tells you how long I've been loading shotgun. Since 1969!

As I said, get rid of that tyvek wad, it's not needed.
 
Well thank yo all for your help, so far the steel loads don't seem to have the problem as much, in fact I put one together this A.M. and it has not opened up yet so they might be OK.

And yes I have wondered about the brass crimp starter. I have been thinking about getting one to see how it does. And you say go to a 6 instead of the 8 huh. Well I will give that all a try and see how it does.

Again thanks
 
On a new hull usally about the third load it should be giving a good crimp I call whomever components I am working with and see what their opion is. Give BPI a call. If I remember correctly they have one guy that works these up and he should be able to answer any question.
 
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