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As a general rule, don't face down four men with long guns with a handgun
- Thread starter Rant Casey
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The walkie-talkie (usually FRS,etc) idea is good, but I'll go a step better. CB Radios. A home base-station is easy enough to purchase, and many are simply a mobile unit on a power converter, so it wouldn't be too hard to be able to adapt it to a car battery during a power-outage.
Get a mobile unit for each car. In most areas there is an emergency channel on 9 or 19 that is monitored by at least a Sheriff's office. The only down-side is limited capability without a large (102in) antenna. The range on a proper setup, however, is considerable.
Get a mobile unit for each car. In most areas there is an emergency channel on 9 or 19 that is monitored by at least a Sheriff's office. The only down-side is limited capability without a large (102in) antenna. The range on a proper setup, however, is considerable.
Striker071
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OK first of all the main problem is in my opinion - Why didnt you think this could happen? Mind sets are the most important thing in a stress situation. I know the first thing you thought of was four heavily armed guys headed for my girlfriend who is physically challenged. At that point in time you didnt process the situation because you already had a preconcieved notion on what was occuring. You left your best Defense/Offense in the H1. The G21 is a very capable weapon and if you have your own range I am sure you fire it well. The last thing I would want to do is go up against guys with rifles with a pistol. You also have to identify a real threat. So NO shooting first and asking questions later isnt an option. I know if you take the time to identify the threat you may be behind the 8 ball when engaging it.. well again you have to engage your brain. You got lucky because the guys were just there to shoot up some paper or watermellons... or frozen milk jugs and you surprised them.... (did any of them need a towel to clean themselves afterwards?). We all dont know what we would do in a situation like this.... but if we think that situations like this could really happen then we may have a simple and direct plan to deal with it and be on top when we do.
Why isn't the AR loaded and ready to go?
In NH it's illegal to have a loaded rifle or shotgun in a vehicle. It's probably illegal in many states.
There's an old saying out in the country- "Good fences make good neighbors." Multistrand high tensile electric fence on steel T-posts with wood post corner structures is among the least expensive fencing to install, and people are pretty reluctant to mess with an electric fence with a good charger at work and a good grounding system (ground rod at every corner, minimum). Steel pipe farm gates with short sections of chain and padlocks complete the ensemble. The major fencing manufacturers offer DIY guides ( http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp...ture/agriculture_install_a_high_tensile_fence )- if I can do it, anyone can. And yes, it IS work, as a matter of fact.
With fences and gates, no one who doesn't have a key gets close to the house, or anywhere else on the property. And anyone who DOES show up has breached an obvious barrier in some way or another, which might just be an indicator of their intentions. A couple of territorial farm dogs inside the fence will usually discourage most of those sorts, too.
And if you think you don't need fences/gates/dogs now, I would bet that within a few years, you will wish you had them.
Something else to think about,
lpl
With fences and gates, no one who doesn't have a key gets close to the house, or anywhere else on the property. And anyone who DOES show up has breached an obvious barrier in some way or another, which might just be an indicator of their intentions. A couple of territorial farm dogs inside the fence will usually discourage most of those sorts, too.
And if you think you don't need fences/gates/dogs now, I would bet that within a few years, you will wish you had them.
Something else to think about,
lpl
Just curious, how many of you would have shot first?
None of us would have shot first. If someone disagrees, please tell me what would justify just shooting first.
In the end I invited them in my house, apologized if I scared them but let them know how close they came to dying (that was me being cocky).
Don't get cocky. Some guys are not just going to drop their guns; they could have immediately started running in 4 different directions, obtained cover, and started shooting at you. And you might have come really close to dying.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, and I'm not sure how I would have handled the situation, but I think you (and the 4 other guys) got really lucky that someone didn't get shot over a simple misunderstanding. And gettin' lucky is nothing to be cocky about. JMHO.
You're very lucky nobody got shot, not because you confronted four men armed with rifles, while you yourself only had a pistol, but because of your getting cocky to give your ego a boost. I just dont understand why you needed to be cocky. These people were not uninvited, your wife gave permission infact. Could you have kept a pair of binoculars in the car and tried to identify the threat from afar before jumping straight into chairborne comando mode? I bet if the little old lady next door came over to borrow a cup of milk youd hold her at gun point while having the dogs smell her for explosives just incase she had some nefarious intentions. I'm sure youd remind her of how close she came to dying too...just you being cocky though.
Really people we're getting alittle too castle doctrine happy and that is exactly what the antis see...ccw toting people who constantly need to boost their ego by letting everyone know that since they carry they are all of a sudden robocop.
Yes I ccw but it doesnt come out unless its absolutely necessary and then, only then will it come out. I also wouldnt come on here bragging about how I confronted 3 battalions of men with only my slingshot and samuri sword.
Really people we're getting alittle too castle doctrine happy and that is exactly what the antis see...ccw toting people who constantly need to boost their ego by letting everyone know that since they carry they are all of a sudden robocop.
Yes I ccw but it doesnt come out unless its absolutely necessary and then, only then will it come out. I also wouldnt come on here bragging about how I confronted 3 battalions of men with only my slingshot and samuri sword.
Guys, guns do not fix all problems.
In this case, someone had inadequate intel, and rather than perform a recon, and gather intel, he chose instead to essentially do a headlong frontal assault.
Personally, I'd have bailed from the vehicle, loaded the long gun, gotten back IN the vehicle, and driven toward them, honking a time or two.
Several things could happen:
They could run. That's fine. You're probably in a catch & release state.
They could freeze. Also fine.
They could turn and wave.
If they start shooting, well, get thee behind the engine block, and return fire from cover.
And I don't know how fast YOU are, but an H1 can whup my butt in the 100 yard dash.
In this case, someone had inadequate intel, and rather than perform a recon, and gather intel, he chose instead to essentially do a headlong frontal assault.
Personally, I'd have bailed from the vehicle, loaded the long gun, gotten back IN the vehicle, and driven toward them, honking a time or two.
Several things could happen:
They could run. That's fine. You're probably in a catch & release state.
They could freeze. Also fine.
They could turn and wave.
If they start shooting, well, get thee behind the engine block, and return fire from cover.
And I don't know how fast YOU are, but an H1 can whup my butt in the 100 yard dash.
wildturkey76209
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Okay I used to remember how to do this....
Somebody please tell me again how it is one quotes somebody that has already posted. FAQ is not very helpful...
Somebody please tell me again how it is one quotes somebody that has already posted. FAQ is not very helpful...
Para Bellum
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Well done
You did well. Nobody got hurt and if they had been BGs you would have had a good chance to save you beloved one.
Instead of getting out of the car I'd do what I had seen the Italian Police in a raid of a square once. They speeded towards the square in 4 cars from 4 sides. Some 100yds from their target they opened the doors and shut off the engines. So they approached their targets at some 50miles/h silently and got them fully by surprise...
Ever considered a pair of dogs around such a remote house?
If you had seen your dogs calm and easy you could have been sure there was no aggression involved. So a pair of good dogs and a field-glass would have saved you a lot of stress.
It's a pitty you don't live in my neighborhood.
You did well. Nobody got hurt and if they had been BGs you would have had a good chance to save you beloved one.
I kind of disagree. You were far from a gun battle. And at 20yds with a Glock 21 you stand a good chance anyway. But take your AR next time (geeeeezzz).I almost ended up in a gun battle with 4 armed young men in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no cover armed with a glock 21.
Instead of getting out of the car I'd do what I had seen the Italian Police in a raid of a square once. They speeded towards the square in 4 cars from 4 sides. Some 100yds from their target they opened the doors and shut off the engines. So they approached their targets at some 50miles/h silently and got them fully by surprise...
Ever considered a pair of dogs around such a remote house?
If you had seen your dogs calm and easy you could have been sure there was no aggression involved. So a pair of good dogs and a field-glass would have saved you a lot of stress.
It's a pitty you don't live in my neighborhood.
No one was injured, so you did well ENOUGH in this situation. Obviously, there are things that could have been done better - and if there is a next time, you will.
On the comms though, you need to look into a satellite base-station setup. You can get so many hours per year, on a year contract with a sat phone company and install a receiver dish on the roof. Then, plug your standard wall or portable phones into it, so you have service. You NEED the ability to call out - and in this case, to call IN (call your other half and find out).
On the comms though, you need to look into a satellite base-station setup. You can get so many hours per year, on a year contract with a sat phone company and install a receiver dish on the roof. Then, plug your standard wall or portable phones into it, so you have service. You NEED the ability to call out - and in this case, to call IN (call your other half and find out).
The most interesting thing about this posting is that the person who made the initial post is being "second guessed" and criticized quite a bit. As I thought about that for the last couple of days, it occurred to me that he now knows what people in law enforcement feel like on a daily basis. I think the realization of how law enforcement officers feel is a real wake up for most people. Only the posters are not risking their pension, lifes earnings, and indictment via postings as the law enforcement officer does with every contact.
Cut and paste whatever text you want to quote, tick the "post reply" button, then Ctrl+V after ticking the 3rd from the right- bottom row icon.Okay I used to remember how to do this....
Somebody please tell me again how it is one quotes somebody that has already posted. FAQ is not very helpful...
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To Casey- you sound a little bit paranoid. I wouldn't have come to the conclusion you did. That's your business not mine. Otherwise consider some sort of external alarm/ roof mounted strobe/ light that your SO can use to declare an emergency. Even to other neighbors in the event of a medical emergency.
On a side note, one of my brothers just got his CCW. I've asked him several times about how much he practices, and he just mumbles. I'm concerned that he thinks he can just "whip it out" and somehow be in control of a dangerous situation. I've tried to have him realize that if he doesn't read a situation properly the weapon means nothing.
Thats a tough one. I agree about driving up on them fast being ready to use the H1 as cover. That way you would immediately know what their intentions are and divert attention from them going to the house where your fiance was.
I had a situation a few years ago at my ranch. I only go there on weekends and was driving through the gate on a Friday evening and I noticed a man with a rifle about 100 yards behind my house on the treeline. I watched him for a little while and my gut told me he was not a threat and not doing anything threatening. I accelerated past the house and drove up to him about 50 feet away. All I had in the truck was a shotgun with buckshot. He laid his rifle down and put his hands up. When I walked up to him with the shotgun I found a very scared hispanic young man that did not speak much English. Turns out he worked for my neighbor and the neighbor let him deer hunt that afternoon. He had gut shot a doe and it ran onto my property. He was just looking for it in the brush.
I helped him find it, gut it, and loaded it up and took him back over to the neighbors a few miles away.
Talking about it later with friends, almost all of them said why didn't you call the police and wait? Why expose yourself when it is not necessary? I have to admit, the thought did not cross my mind to call the police and I definitely get cell phone service, there was no one out there to protect, and the police could have been out there in 30 minutes or so. Someone was on my property, I had several expensive thefts of tools and equipment before that and I was ******. I was not using my head at all. I hope I have learned the lesson.
I had a situation a few years ago at my ranch. I only go there on weekends and was driving through the gate on a Friday evening and I noticed a man with a rifle about 100 yards behind my house on the treeline. I watched him for a little while and my gut told me he was not a threat and not doing anything threatening. I accelerated past the house and drove up to him about 50 feet away. All I had in the truck was a shotgun with buckshot. He laid his rifle down and put his hands up. When I walked up to him with the shotgun I found a very scared hispanic young man that did not speak much English. Turns out he worked for my neighbor and the neighbor let him deer hunt that afternoon. He had gut shot a doe and it ran onto my property. He was just looking for it in the brush.
I helped him find it, gut it, and loaded it up and took him back over to the neighbors a few miles away.
Talking about it later with friends, almost all of them said why didn't you call the police and wait? Why expose yourself when it is not necessary? I have to admit, the thought did not cross my mind to call the police and I definitely get cell phone service, there was no one out there to protect, and the police could have been out there in 30 minutes or so. Someone was on my property, I had several expensive thefts of tools and equipment before that and I was ******. I was not using my head at all. I hope I have learned the lesson.
I am not going to advise or critique the stated situation and reaction but just offer a couple more things to consider. You came out OK so you did good. I can understand instinctual imperative to do something NOW if you feel your wife may be under extreme danger.
1) IF they had been BGs there could have been a couple more inside with your wife while four stayed outside on guard. That would really complicate things.
2) Being invited guests they may have thought YOU were the bad guy for sneaking up behind them, or worse barreling into the drive in full assault mode.
I think getting behind them was a good choice but did/could you identify yourself as the property owner without giving up too much advantage?
I like the ideas of CB or FRS radios since your wife has limited mobility. And the dogs! Man's best friend for a reason.
1) IF they had been BGs there could have been a couple more inside with your wife while four stayed outside on guard. That would really complicate things.
2) Being invited guests they may have thought YOU were the bad guy for sneaking up behind them, or worse barreling into the drive in full assault mode.
I think getting behind them was a good choice but did/could you identify yourself as the property owner without giving up too much advantage?
I like the ideas of CB or FRS radios since your wife has limited mobility. And the dogs! Man's best friend for a reason.