Alabama Shooter
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What it sounds like to me is a younger guy who is immature and likely not eligible for a CCL or someone trying to flip them tax free for profit. Either way use your best judgement since that is the smart thing to do.
Armslist. What's Your Experience.
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What it sounds like to me is a younger guy who is immature and likely not eligible for a CCL or someone trying to flip them tax free for profit. Either way use your best judgement since that is the smart thing to do.
I have seen people with the same requirement of needing a ccw. Why would you need a ccw to buy a gun?
So your one of the people that were in favor of UBC?
I have had good experiences with armslist I just bought a revolver not to long ago off there, everything went well for the most part.
So your one of the people that were in favor of UBC?
I have had good experiences with armslist I just bought a revolver not to long ago off there, everything went well for the most part.
Willie Sutton
Moderator
"I have seen people with the same requirement of needing a ccw. Why would you need a ccw to buy a gun?"
Speaking as a seller? Because as a responsible seller of a firearm I am going to do my best to ensure that you are not a felon or someone who is mentally ill. You need to reside in my state and not be someone I know to be a prohibited person. A CCW stands as identification of state residence (here anyhow, as we do not issue out of state CCW's), and also give me good confidence that you're not a criminal. It's called "due diligence". Yes, you could have become a felon or gone insane since you were issued a permit, but It's a good basic check. It also tells me that you have had (some) training, and have some interest in firearms other than that you have cash and want one.
Remember that you do not need a CCW`to buy in a private sale. Then again I don't need to sell to anyone I do not feel like selling to. I feel like seeing a CCW as evidence of good citizenhood. That's my preference and my privilege. Many others feel likewise. Think of it as self policing things to ensure that our rights are not taken away from us after they pass a law to "do something" after some kook shoots up a playground... with something that I sold him. It's an up-front investment in our rights. It basically weeds out the nuts up front: They don't even bother to reply to my ads.
Universal Background Checks is a nanny-state solution to force people to do what they ought to be doing anyhow: Doing your best to not sell firearms to people who are not eligable or safe to own them. I don't believe in UBC's. I believe in good people doing the right thing because it's... the right thing to do.
Willie
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Speaking as a seller? Because as a responsible seller of a firearm I am going to do my best to ensure that you are not a felon or someone who is mentally ill. You need to reside in my state and not be someone I know to be a prohibited person. A CCW stands as identification of state residence (here anyhow, as we do not issue out of state CCW's), and also give me good confidence that you're not a criminal. It's called "due diligence". Yes, you could have become a felon or gone insane since you were issued a permit, but It's a good basic check. It also tells me that you have had (some) training, and have some interest in firearms other than that you have cash and want one.
Remember that you do not need a CCW`to buy in a private sale. Then again I don't need to sell to anyone I do not feel like selling to. I feel like seeing a CCW as evidence of good citizenhood. That's my preference and my privilege. Many others feel likewise. Think of it as self policing things to ensure that our rights are not taken away from us after they pass a law to "do something" after some kook shoots up a playground... with something that I sold him. It's an up-front investment in our rights. It basically weeds out the nuts up front: They don't even bother to reply to my ads.
Universal Background Checks is a nanny-state solution to force people to do what they ought to be doing anyhow: Doing your best to not sell firearms to people who are not eligable or safe to own them. I don't believe in UBC's. I believe in good people doing the right thing because it's... the right thing to do.
Willie
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Aguila Blanca
Staff
There have been previous discussions on this forum and many others regarding bills of sale and recording of information in face-to-face transactions. There are many people who prefer NOT to give out their personal information and who don't want a paper trail. I fully understand that. Living in a state in which all handgun transfers have to go through an FFL and all handgun transfers get registered, I often wish very much that I could obtain a pistol or two "off paper." Not illegally, just without a paper trail.
If such were possible, I would have no problem showing a seller that I have a carry permit, to demonstrate that I am not a prohibited person. But ... if he then wanted to write down my personal information and have me sign a bill of sale, I would walk away. If I wanted a paper trail, I could just buy from an FFL.
However, I fully understand that some people want the paper trail, and I don't think there's any reason for a prospective buyer to get nasty. If you don't like the conditions, don't respond to the ad.
If such were possible, I would have no problem showing a seller that I have a carry permit, to demonstrate that I am not a prohibited person. But ... if he then wanted to write down my personal information and have me sign a bill of sale, I would walk away. If I wanted a paper trail, I could just buy from an FFL.
However, I fully understand that some people want the paper trail, and I don't think there's any reason for a prospective buyer to get nasty. If you don't like the conditions, don't respond to the ad.
Willie Sutton
Moderator
^^^ then you would like dealing with me.
The law requires that I establish that you are a resident of my state, and that I have no reason to believe that you are a prohibited person. I ask for a CCW, which does both, shake hands, and say "see you at the range sometime".
Bill of sale? Well....shucks: I've got more important paper to store than a bill of sale. And I "probably" purchased what I'm selling you the same way, on a handshake after showing my CCW myself. Isn't the USA a great place to live?
Segue: If the UBC requirement proposals were simply to obtain and then show a proof of residence and lack of criminal/mental health history, and to require that sellers VIEW this upon a sale, but not keep a record of the sale, I would not object. Many of us do it anyhow by use of the CCW as ID. No responsible seller wants to sell to a criminal.
Willie
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The law requires that I establish that you are a resident of my state, and that I have no reason to believe that you are a prohibited person. I ask for a CCW, which does both, shake hands, and say "see you at the range sometime".
Bill of sale? Well....shucks: I've got more important paper to store than a bill of sale. And I "probably" purchased what I'm selling you the same way, on a handshake after showing my CCW myself. Isn't the USA a great place to live?
Segue: If the UBC requirement proposals were simply to obtain and then show a proof of residence and lack of criminal/mental health history, and to require that sellers VIEW this upon a sale, but not keep a record of the sale, I would not object. Many of us do it anyhow by use of the CCW as ID. No responsible seller wants to sell to a criminal.
Willie
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8MM Mauser
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I had a great experiance selling a Mosin nagant on armslist last year. Nice guy, did a bill of sale and had a CCW and all that.
BrassAndLead
New member
I heard something interesting from a seller I had done a deal with. He told me he was trying to sell a handgun and guy drove 30 miles to come to do it. Before agreeing to the deal, the seller had asked that the buyer sign a bill of sale and provide a govt issued ID. When the deal was about to be done, the buyer provided an ID with a different name other than what was told to the seller. The deal fell through for obvious reasons. Why would someone do this? lol
spencer5650
New member
I've never boughrt anything from Armslist, but I have sold a couple. Smooth transactions, no problems. Lately there do seem to be a lot of gougers on there.
Hmmmmm
I have had no problems with Armslist. In fact, picked up some nice toys and such.
Yes, some seem to think that smoking crack before setting a price there, is the way to go but, as in any matter of making a purchase, if the asking price is just nuts, move along with a snicker.
I have had no problems with Armslist. In fact, picked up some nice toys and such.
Yes, some seem to think that smoking crack before setting a price there, is the way to go but, as in any matter of making a purchase, if the asking price is just nuts, move along with a snicker.
I've got a little bit of a problem selling a gun to someone that is registered in my name to someone weather I know them or not. If they ever did something stupid with it, I wouldn't want it traced back to me as being the owner, unless I had proof I sold it. I would be the only one with the record.
Serial #, date , name and signature. Simple!
Serial #, date , name and signature. Simple!
Amen, Garycw!
Here in CO., the law as I understand it is that one is supposed to create and retain a bill of sale for private transfers (prior to the new mess of laws where now, you are required to do a BGC).
I have not had this come up because other than my kids coming to own those items in my collection they do the best with, I simply find it impossible to part with any toy I bought. After all, I wanted it at the time so, it has to have had some appeal.
Here in CO., the law as I understand it is that one is supposed to create and retain a bill of sale for private transfers (prior to the new mess of laws where now, you are required to do a BGC).
I have not had this come up because other than my kids coming to own those items in my collection they do the best with, I simply find it impossible to part with any toy I bought. After all, I wanted it at the time so, it has to have had some appeal.