Armed substitute teachers in Ohio

Hal, just to clarify, your main concern is standardized training, right?

If so, would we not assume training programs would be established for volunteers? I know LaPierre suggested the NRA would help draft a program, and provide instructors. I know I would instruct for the teachers in my kid's future school system for free. So, where is the problem?

You do periodically refer to issues and attitude problems amongst military folk. I have to tell you, being a vet and a contractor, and someone who has worked with not only a lot of military, but also a substantial number of former local, state, and federal LE, that I tend to see issues and attitudes as quite similar between the military and LE groups.

IE, percentages evincing authoritarianism and machismo seem right about the same.

Please clarify your concern.
 
johnwilliamson062, what is your issue with teachers and administrators? What is the conflict between "disciplinarian" roles and carry?

I am pretty sure the plan is for covertly armed volunteers, so a kid getting in trouble at school should never know the teacher is armed. Do you think a teacher is going to draw to make a point? If so, what do you think about concealed carriers in general?

With regard to LE or military training, two separate thoughts:

1. A specific training course should be established for a school volunteer program, and all participants should complete it. Some would have a much easier time than others.

2. As I understand it, the concept most of us back would not entail volunteers making arrests, but rather setting up armed barriers to contain a shooter in a small area, or keep a shooter out of an area, while LE was called to respond. Why is LE training required for this?
 
Just a thought, are police trained to select a Taser when confronted with an armed suspect?

That answer would be a definitive "NO."

So why would we want to even entertain such a notion?
 
I think these is a significant difference between open carry and concealed carry. I support faculty who complete training and have a concealed carry license doing so in schools. But open carry should be reserved to LEO's or former LEO's, or the equivalent.
 
Sounds like you are making an assumption on the one hand (that people advocating for the armed volunteer idea don't want some sort of training standard), and a generalization on the other (since you know one or several vets who have issues, then vets must have issues).

Both are logical fallacies.

Why not just say that participants should have to pass a standardized training course, and quit knocking vets?
 
- LEOs
- Veterans
- Civilians

Former LEOs is a no-brainer. They generally have far more firearms training, situation training, and req'd sheepdog attitude than the general civilian population -- Key on situation training/sheepdog.

Veterans have basic if not extended firearms training (at least more than the general population as a group). They also tend to have a sheepdog attitude. What they don't have -- and will desperately need -- is situation training.

The General population is the general population: a black hole until vetted through either the police and/or military strainer. Some may be simply OUTstanding. But how do you do that extended sifting beyond a background check?
 
Why not just say that participants should have to pass a standardized training course, and quit knocking vets?
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Knocking vets?
Not in any way.
All I'm saying is that vets aren't magically qualified - as 318 seems to indicate in his post.

He said and I quote - " I would also like to see military veterans get a crack at this".
I'm not for equating a vet to a retired LEO - simply because someone at one time wore a uniform.
He's the one that made a blanket statement about vets.

Let me ask you - why do you think a vet is more qualified than someone else?
& I don't mean people like your uncle.
IMNSHO - you uncle is qualified, vet or not. Being a vet has little to do with it. It's a plus, but, it's not an overriding consideration.
Be honest here and, as a vet, think about each and every person you know or knew that's a vet.

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I have deleted several posts describing potentially criminal behavior by an identifiable individual.

First, that person cannot defend themselves on this forum nor is our place to level such claims

Second - if one suspects such serious behaviors - contact the appropriate authorities.
 
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