Armed stand off in Texas

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http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/front/628282

Family holes up in bunker, evades court
By JIM HENDERSON
Copyright 2000 Houston Chronicle

TRINIDAD -- By most accounts, John Joe Gray lived a quiet life -- quiet except for the weekends when automatic rifle fire signaled militia training exercises -- with his family on a remote and wooded 47 acres fanning out from the Trinity River a few miles north of here.

He earned a living building houses and provided homes for his six children and their spouses on what is now being called his "compound." Except for occasionally commenting on his extremist anti-government views, his neighbors paid little attention to him. He rarely attracted the attention of local law enforcement.

Now, the 51-year-old Gray apparently is holed up in his compound, which is surrounded by barbed wire and fortified by a bunker ringed with sandbags, dodging two felony warrants stemming from an altercation with state troopers. He has dared the authorities to "come and get me" and warned them to "bring body bags."


John Joe Gray missed his court appearances on two felony charges.

"Remember Ruby Ridge and remember Waco," says Bill Clark, a former city councilman in nearby Gun Barrel City who used to attend militia meetings at Gray's house. "Folks will just take so much. They've been pushed and pushed, but they are basically damned good people."

Not only is Gray a fugitive, but one of his daughters also has arrest warrants outstanding against her, and the family is harboring two of his grandchildren who were awarded to their father in divorce court 15 months ago.

In all, investigators believe 10 adults and six children are living in the two houses on Gray's property. For that reason, they have been hesitant to enforce the divorce court's custody order or to serve the felony warrants.

"We've got a serious situation here with some very serious threats made," says Henderson County Sheriff Howard "Slick" Alfred, a former Texas Ranger. "The children's safety is of primary concern."

Gray could not be contacted for an interview. He has no telephone service and did not come to the gate when a reporter attempted to get his attention by honking a car horn.

Although Gray was a leader in the Texas Constitutional Militia (he referred to himself as "Col. Gray"), and he traveled to Fort Davis in 1997 when the Republic of Texas separatist group was in a standoff with state police, he apparently did not appear on law enforcement radar screens until late in 1998.

Then came the minor brushes with the law stemming from the family's allegiance to a fringe, Oregon-based church called the Embassy of Heaven. The sect does not recognize government authority, even the authority to license drivers, register automobiles, issue birth certificates and Social Security numbers or to conduct civil courts.

In November 1998, Gray's 24-year-old daughter, Racheal Dempsey, was jailed in Tool on charges of driving without a license and having "fictitious" tags on her car -- they were issued by the Embassy of Heaven. She refused to answer questions or post bail and fasted until she was released a few days later. When she later refused to appear in court, three warrants were issued for her arrest.

Two weeks after that incident, Gray was stopped and cited for driving without a license and having no proof of insurance. Like his daughter, he refused to answer questions. He was released but didn't show up for a court hearing. Warrants were issued, but he was not exactly hunted down.

Essentially, some area residents say, the authorities simply backed away from the cases. The Grays were not considered dangerous. The family may have viewed the traffic confrontations as a holy war, but the cops considered them little more than nuisances.

Keith Tarkington, Gray's former son-in-law, believes there is another reason the authorities have taken no action. "I think the law is scared of him."


Difference in beliefs
Tarkington, 34, married into the Gray family in June 1995 and divorced himself from it last summer.

He and Lisa, now 30, had two sons and were happy, he says, even though he did not subscribe to his father-in-law's beliefs.

"He used to tell me, `You're either for us or you're against us,' " Tarkington says. "I would say, `No, I just don't believe that stuff and I don't want any part of it.' "

At first, he says, Gray's passion was the Embassy of Heaven Church, organized in 1980 in Oregon by Craig Fleishman, a former computer analyst who now uses the name Paul Revere.

The group does not recognize government authority and believes that secular government is in direct competition with God.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors extremist organizations, the Embassy of Heaven has about 400 members, a few of them in Henderson County.



Later, Gray became involved with the militia and began wearing camouflage fatigues and amassing an arsenal, including assault rifles.

When he could not convert Tarkington to his beliefs, the son-in-law says, Gray began pressuring and "brainwashing" his daughter to leave her husband and return home. Tarkington, who is Catholic, believes his religion was also a problem for the Gray family.

On the gate to Gray's property is a sign that says, "90% of Catholic priest ARE child molesters."

Lisa, by her own account, made the decision to move back into the family compound April 9, 1999. Although she never formally responded to Tarkington's divorce petition, she sent a long, handwritten letter to the judge in which she wrote that "God would never let (Tarkington) see his children again" and that "it is pathetic to be Catholic."

She returned to her parents' home, she told the judge, on the night of her 29th birthday. She and her husband and two children had been to dinner and were stopped by a Tool police officer. Keith Tarkington was arrested on warrants for three unpaid traffic tickets.

Because she had no driver's license, Lisa called her sister and brother-in-law to come and get her. They took her and the children back to the Gray family home and Tarkington has seen his kids, Joe Douglas, 4, and Samuel, 2 1/2, only once since.

He went to Gray's house the next morning to pick up his family, but was not allowed through the gate. Lisa came out with the two boys and told him she wasn't leaving.

He went back a few days later, but his wife refused to let him see his sons. A month later, Tarkington filed for divorce. Lisa did not respond and, by default, he was granted the divorce and custody of the two boys.

After awarding custody to Tarkington, the judge issued a writ of attachment, authorizing sheriff's deputies to remove the boys from their mother's custody. The writ was never served and the court's custody order never enforced.

Tarkington frequently drives past the Gray house and occasionally observes it from a nearby plateau, hoping for a glimpse of his children.

Once, while he was driving along the dirt road, Tarkington says, Gray stopped him and told him, "If I ever see you on this road again, I'll shoot you."

Another time, one of Gray's sons jumped over the fence and vandalized his pickup.

Now, Tarkington believes, his children, like the others in the compound, are in danger because of another of Gray's run-ins with the law.


Felony charges filed
Last Christmas Eve, state troopers in Anderson County stopped a car for speeding near Palestine. The driver obeyed the command to get out of the car, but the passenger, identified as Gray, refused and had to be forcibly removed from the vehicle. He was wearing a gun in a shoulder holster and he scuffled with the two troopers, biting one of them on the hand and grabbing an officer's pistol, according to the troopers' report.

The car contained several weapons, including high-caliber pistols and assault rifles.

Gray was charged with two felonies -- assaulting an officer and taking his weapon -- and was released on bond. He retreated to his riverside home and failed to show for any of his court appearances. Finally, in May, felony warrants were issued in Anderson County, but by then, Gray had fortified his property with bunkers and was prepared for a long standoff.

Tarkington says his former father-in-law had laid in large supplies of food, fuel and ammunition in anticipation of the dreaded societal meltdown that would occur when the new millennium arrived.

"He used to brag that he could provide for his family for two years," Tarkington says.

Electricity and phone service to the house have been cut off because of delinquent bills and, as if to further isolate himself, Gray apparently removed the mailbox at the entrance to his property. However, some residents of the area believe Gray and his family are not completely isolated.

"I would bet that he has all the (generator) power he needs," Clark says. "And I imagine he has some form of communications."

Friends are delivering food to the house, some say, and others claim some of Gray's children still make trips into town for supplies.

"We've seen Lisa in Wal-Mart," says one neighbor, who asked not to be identified.

Investigators doubt that members of the family are moving about so freely. They are taciturn about their investigation, but some hint that the house is being closely watched.

Every few yards, a warning sign is posted on the barbed wire fence beside a dusty county road that runs past the Gray property: "Keep Out." "No Trespassing."

At the gate, another sign, addressed to "all public servants," warns that intruders will not be tolerated and that "survivors will be prosecuted."

Law enforcement officers confirm that Gray sent a message to the Anderson County district attorney telling him, "If you come on my property, bring plenty of body bags."


`This is a delicate situation'
The bonding company, which stands to lose nearly $300,000, has declined to send bounty hunters after Gray. The state Child Protective Services agency has declined to intervene, Tarkington was told, unless he has evidence that the children are being abused. The Henderson County sheriff's office and the Department of Public Safety have also declined to move against Gray, and the FBI has told Tarkington it has no jurisdiction.

"I can understand his frustrations," Henderson County investigator John Bell says of Tarkington. "But this is a delicate situation. We don't want to go in there gung-ho and get somebody hurt."

Still, he adds, the warrants will have to be served sooner or later. "We can't let him make a mockery of the law," he says.

Texas Ranger Steve Foster, who has worked with Bell, agrees that the stalemate can't continue indefinitely, but "this could turn into another Waco ... we don't want to get into that."

Tarkington's parents, Emma and Doug Tarkington, who live in Gun Barrel City, share their son's frustrations and impatience, but they also fear the outcome of a police assault on the compound.

"He has got to be dangerous," Emma Tarkington says of Gray. "He must be getting pretty desperate."

Gray's old friend, Bill Clark, who now lives in Oklahoma, argues that the real danger is from outside the compound.

"I can't condone everything they've done," he says, "but they're fine folks. They look after their own and they respect God's commandments. They just really want to be left alone."

But, he says, if challenged, they probably would fight. "They are good hands in night combat," he says. "The women are, too. They've had a lot of training."

Anderson County District Attorney Doug Lowe, whose job it is to prosecute Gray on the felony charges, acknowledged that the authorities are "walking on eggshells" to avoid a confrontation.

"Our goal is to get him back before the courts and give him a fair trial," he says. "We would like to have a resolution, but ultimately, the federal people probably will have to deal with it."



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"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny" Thomas Jefferson
 
Sounds like this guy isn't going to back down... Because of the laws concerning felonies and firearms, this guy probably has too much to lose now.

"He was wearing a gun in a shoulder holster and he scuffled with the two troopers, biting one of them on the hand and grabbing an officer's pistol, according to the troopers' report.

The car contained several weapons, including high-caliber pistols and assault rifles."

Doesn't sound too dangerous to me... It wouldn't have taken much for him to draw his gun and kill those police... Very sticky situation and it'll get worse if the feds go in there...

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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
This guy has dug his own hole to some degree I think. Of course this is just one report, so who knows. They do seem to at least be coming after him for more than what they did at Waco....

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"The children's safety is of primary concern."[/quote] Sheriff Alfred could never work for the fed's ... confused priorities.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"Our goal is to get him back before the courts and give him a fair trial," he says. "We would like to have a resolution, but ultimately, the federal people probably will have to deal with it."[/quote] And so, it begins.


Yes, the fellow and his family sound a bit odd. But, I can see where the fellow probably feels set upon by the authorities - sure doesn't sound like a criminal to me.

The Grays want to be left alone, but our society no longer allows that option. You will cooperate with the state, otherwise someday, somehow, the state will come after you. And, when people have had it 'up to here', 'civilized society' turns to the guns in order to enforce their rules. Every time.

Can't help but think of the tragic, recent case of the trooper gunned down in a traffic stop to enforce a seat belt law.

We need to get government out of peoples' lives as much as possible. We'll see more cases like this, with each one marginalized as a nutcase. Some are nutcases. And, some are just peaceful people that wanted to be left alone.

We should remember people like the Gray's, everytime we want to pass another law based upon good intentions. Coercion creates fear and hatred, and damages society, IMHO. We have too much coercion these days.

Live and let live. Regards from AZ


[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited August 08, 2000).]
 
You're right about coercion Jeff...

Anyway, I just don't see this guy as the kind of guy that the majority of gun owners would have a lot of sympathy for, and certainly not one that we'd all hop in our cars and drive off the feds at gunpoint for.
In Waco, maybe, but this guy. I don't know. If we are to ever have our own Lexingon or Concord, I hardly think it'd be for this kind of guy.

Hopefully he'll come out eventually though, we don't need more kids getting cooked by feds.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
This guy is looking for trouble and I hope he gets it.

He has dared the authorities to "come and get me" and warned them to "bring body bags."
***** Sounds like a threat to me.

Gray was stopped and cited for driving without a license and having no proof of insurance.
He does want a license or to prove fiscal responsibility, but he seems to have no problem using publicly funded roadways. WHAT A HYPOCRIT!!! If you want to drive around without a license and no financial responsibility, even drive drunk, I DON'T CARE, just do it on your own property and not on roads that the rest of us use.

Lisa did not respond and, by default, he was granted the divorce and custody of the two boys.
***** That is the way the game is played. It is NOT 'finders keepers' when it comes to kids. If parents can't agree on what is best for the children the court system will. It isn't perfect, but it beats the hell out of the 'my gun is bigger than your gun' approach.

Gray stopped him and told him, "If I ever see you on this road again, I'll shoot you."
***** Here he is on one of those public roadways that the person he is threatening has a license to be on. Gray is making threats that are not even on his own property. How would you like it if I walked up to you in the Wal-Mart parking lot and told you that I would shoot you if I ever saw you there again?

Another time, one of Gray's sons jumped over the fence and vandalized his pickup.
***** If it happened at night in Texas the the little vandal could be shot over it. He needs to get locked up and be somebodies girlfriend for a few months.

Electricity and phone service to the house have been cut off because of delinquent bills.
***** So he is a deadbeat too. I don't know about you, but when I use electricity I might not like it when the bill comes but it is a commodity that I want more than the money that it costs. If he paid his bill and had service disconnected that is one thing, but using it until it gets cut off with no intention of paying is theft.

"If you come on my property, bring plenty of body bags."
***** Lethal force is NOT justified in Texas to prevent a trespass. Force is justified, but not lethal force. If officers trespass on his property and he uses a firearm, even just to display a threat, he is breaking the law. It happened outside Austin last year. Home owner was arrested for assault.

FBI has told Tarkington it has no jurisdiction.
***** That is only because Tarkington has not gone to a federal magistrate and had his children declared kidnapped. I helped a girlfriend get her son back in 1987 using this method. It took less than a week for the FBI to arrest the father and return the child.

Sorry, but this guy looks like a trouble making hypocrite who is not willing to act in a socially acceptable manner. You have no right to use a publicly provided roadway without a license and insureance, if you want to then build your own roads. In a set of parents, no individual parent can do whatever they want with their children. You may not make death threats to people in public places. You may not vandalize other peoples property. You have the right pretty much do what you want, but you must use those rights responsibly. When what you want to do starts to infringe on the rights of others, your rights need to be reigned in.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"The children's safety is of primary concern."[/quote]

Absolutely right. The state Law Enforcers are already derelict in not calling in long ago BATF and FBI with their psyop people, SWAT and Hostage rescue teams, tanks, plenty of CS gas (outlawed for use
in war against enemy troups but allowed to use in time of peace on our own civilians,as claimed by the Department of Barbeque Justice), Lon Horiuchi and his band of merry snipers, Special Forces "advisers", helicopter gunships, and all the other might of the criminal state.
We have so many current and retired LEOs
participating here; their collective wisdom is awesome. What do you guys think is going to happen now? I'm not an expert, but one thing the Waco regrettable misunderstanding had shown beoynd any doubt is that such confrontations tend to get out of control unless brought decisively to a quick end.
May be a couple of air raids with cluster bombs and/or FAE is all it takes?



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Washington delenda est
 
The father of those kids has a right to see 'em...that goes beyond this bunch's desire to be "left alone".

Sigh.

Jim
 
Janet Reno could do another Save Elian" Raid. Maybe she only does that for foreigners.

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You have to be there when it's all over. Otherwise you can't say "I told you so."

Better days to be,

Ed
 
Based on the information available, I have to say Jeff OTMG put it very eloquently: It really does look like this hypocrite is a dangerous wacko.

FWIW, I live in Houston, so I've got enough experience with the Chronicle to be suspicious, but this still looks awful bad.

Love the sig, BTW, Cicero. Or is that Cicero Africanus? ;)

Steve
 
I believe that I have heard one side of this story - the side that the press wants you to hear. I remember Waco and how everybody was calling them kooks, child molesters, drug fiends, you name it. In the beginning, no one was willing to go there and bear witness because they had been painted as kooks by the press.

From everything I have read in this article, I cannot imagine that it calls for a 'waco style' raid by F Troop or burning, or CS gas, or tanks, or Lon Horiuchi etc.

Yes, this guy may be a weirdo - a minor criminal maybe, but he and his family do not deserve to be burned or slaughtered by the Govt.

I have said it before and I'll say it again, this kind of sh!t will happen more and more as time goes on as long as the Govt. continues to intrude into people's lives. Everybody has their breaking point and it seems like more and more people are reaching theirs lately.

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Nothing a few tons of tear gas won't cure. Unless he has some masks...then there is a problem.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stephen Ewing:
Love the sig, BTW, Cicero. Or is that Cicero Africanus? ;) [/quote]

Not African, the original Carthagian :-)

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Jeff OTMG:

You ought to listen to yourself. You sound just like one of the government thugs. As far as I can see, so far this guy is getting the shaft for an overdue parking ticket. They may have action aginst his daughter for keeping the kids.... but the rest of the charges are bogus. Nothing no one else here has ever done or said at one time or other out of anger. How many people have you told that you were going to kill them? Maybe not as an adult, but think back to when you were a kid.

It comes down to this folks... Gray and his family will more than likely die.... Why? because they refuse to submit themselves to some Ahole who feels that they know better than anyone else and wish to push their agenda on someone else... Responsibility? Sure, when they have committed a harm against someone else. But has there been any harm to anyone else? A bite to the arm of a police officer? Get real. Leave them alone for Gods sake.




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but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bookkie:
Jeff OTMG:
You ought to listen to yourself. You sound just like one of the government thugs.

It comes down to this folks... Gray and his family will more than likely die.... Why? because they refuse to submit themselves to some a*hole who feels that they know better than anyone else and wish to push their agenda on someone else... Responsibility? Sure, when they have committed a harm against someone else. But has there been any harm to anyone else? A bite to the arm of a police officer? Get real. Leave them alone for Gods sake.
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Mighty hard to disagree with any of your observations, except one. You said:
<You ought to listen to yourself. You sound just like one of the government thugs.>
This is a bit strong. As I was quite properly reminded by our esteemed administrator, there are many LEOs on this board and we dare not offend them or else... else our posts will be swiftly cancelled. So the proper thing to say would be: "You sound suspiciously like the mentally deranged criminally insane run-of-the-mill two-bit would-be JBT, but of course we all know that you are not, you're just a regular upstanding LEO..." or some such. And then leave it at that.



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Beats me ... just can't come to any sense about it all (or much of anything else, really) as presented by the press anymore, in my mind. There's an immediate bias there (just as it would be if I reported it - honestly, but .... oh well & no matter) ...

I'm with Cassidy though in the expression that the more guvmint attempts to control every aspect of our lives, the more "we" will "go off."

From the experiences I, my family & guests, & my neighbor/family had just in our local neighborhood (a county park lake) over this past weekend with the park/swim/boat Nazis, I am amazed that the general populace isn't "going off" on a much more regular basis.

I recall a "dissident" a year or so back in Alma, CO who, after several "dealings" with the local "in charge folks," ended up shooting the "city" manager to death & then drove a bulldozer through most of the city buildings.

...................... just saddened by it all ..............
 
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