Armed forces converting to .300 WM?
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Oldroper refers me to Harrison's 2707 yard shot; longest on record for a sniper. Most interesting comments about that shot:
Time of flight for the bullet was about 5.2 seconds.
That bullet was dropping about 2.5 feet for every 10 yards it went downrange at the target.
A one mile per hour cross wind across the bullet's trajectory moves it almost 4 feet horizontally; subtle winds at that speed are almost impossible to see and judge for that range.
I'd heard he took 4 or 5 sighting shots. The link says he took 9. No mention of how many shots it took to drop the two Taliban gunners.
Ballistic info's interesting......
Time of flight for the bullet was about 5.2 seconds.
That bullet was dropping about 2.5 feet for every 10 yards it went downrange at the target.
A one mile per hour cross wind across the bullet's trajectory moves it almost 4 feet horizontally; subtle winds at that speed are almost impossible to see and judge for that range.
I'd heard he took 4 or 5 sighting shots. The link says he took 9. No mention of how many shots it took to drop the two Taliban gunners.
"two Taliban machine-gunners with successive shots" does mean 2 shots back to back, but I don't know if there were any ranging shots before them. May not have been. I should have said I didn't know if any sighters were taken before those two were took out.
In decades of shooting 1000 yard matches and scoring the best of them, none of the top scoring folks put their first shot at 1000 inside the 10 inch X ring all the time with the magnums. Some of them would put it in the 20 inch 10 ring once in a while.
In decades of shooting 1000 yard matches and scoring the best of them, none of the top scoring folks put their first shot at 1000 inside the 10 inch X ring all the time with the magnums. Some of them would put it in the 20 inch 10 ring once in a while.
Bart B, I was wondering there is a Bart Bobbitt that post about Navy Seal and your comment kind of follow his and there lot of comments on site's here is the citation
http://militarytimes.com/citations-medals-awards/recipient.php?recipientid=4448
Are you that Bart Bobbitt
http://yarchive.net/gun/politics/pistol_vietnam.html
http://militarytimes.com/citations-medals-awards/recipient.php?recipientid=4448
Are you that Bart Bobbitt
http://yarchive.net/gun/politics/pistol_vietnam.html
Old roper, yes, that's me.
I recently got email from RJ Thomas referencing the write up in a Fallon, Nevada, newspaper on his incident. He said there was only 12 to 15 casualties he caused. He knows that such stories get magnified just as those about Carlos Hathcock and Alvin York and his is no different. I first heard of his incident from a common friend and didn't know about them when I shot matches with him. I knew he had been wounded but at the time that was all. He related in the newspaper article that he had got down to only a few rounds of ammo left and wondered if he should humanely dispatch his crew members then take his own life. The VC had a track record of horribly torturing and killing captured SEAL team members. But the rescue helo came and saved the day.
Cdr. R.J. Thomas was the USN Rifle Team OIC when my Son shot on the USN Rifle Team under him in the early 1990's.
I recently got email from RJ Thomas referencing the write up in a Fallon, Nevada, newspaper on his incident. He said there was only 12 to 15 casualties he caused. He knows that such stories get magnified just as those about Carlos Hathcock and Alvin York and his is no different. I first heard of his incident from a common friend and didn't know about them when I shot matches with him. I knew he had been wounded but at the time that was all. He related in the newspaper article that he had got down to only a few rounds of ammo left and wondered if he should humanely dispatch his crew members then take his own life. The VC had a track record of horribly torturing and killing captured SEAL team members. But the rescue helo came and saved the day.
Cdr. R.J. Thomas was the USN Rifle Team OIC when my Son shot on the USN Rifle Team under him in the early 1990's.
I love the .308 myself, but it makes sense to me that the 300 Win Mag, would be better suited for extreem ranges in excess of 1000 yards.
We have a very experienced Military now, during the last 100 years we have been involved in several wars and conflicts, our troops have been more or less involved in Destert Warfare since 1990. I can see where the experience of the troops involved would dictate what equipment works best for them.
If use of the 300 Winchester Magnum would make our Snipers more effective, Im all for it.
We have a very experienced Military now, during the last 100 years we have been involved in several wars and conflicts, our troops have been more or less involved in Destert Warfare since 1990. I can see where the experience of the troops involved would dictate what equipment works best for them.
If use of the 300 Winchester Magnum would make our Snipers more effective, Im all for it.
The Army routinely switches back and forth between some 300 super mag and the 308. They did this in Vietnam and several time during the intervening years.
In all cases they have returned to the 308 for the following reasons.
1. Logistics. There lots of 308 ammo in the system.
2. Ammo cost. 308 match ammo cost about 10 cents a round. The 300 will cost a buck or better.
3. Barrel life. A 300 Ultra Super Mag will last a life time for an ordinary shooter. In the hands of a Military sniper they may last 6 months. An SF Vietnam sniper I know wore his out in in 3 months. His 308 barrel lasted two tours.
In short this is nothing to get excited about. It is routine.
In all cases they have returned to the 308 for the following reasons.
1. Logistics. There lots of 308 ammo in the system.
2. Ammo cost. 308 match ammo cost about 10 cents a round. The 300 will cost a buck or better.
3. Barrel life. A 300 Ultra Super Mag will last a life time for an ordinary shooter. In the hands of a Military sniper they may last 6 months. An SF Vietnam sniper I know wore his out in in 3 months. His 308 barrel lasted two tours.
In short this is nothing to get excited about. It is routine.
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A more interesting question is: will the US still be in NATO in 5-10 years. This would affect all of the above questions.