Are we with the times?

No! When it comes to self defense you do not assume you will hit the target. Don't assume your expierence with a revolver is everyone's expierence. I do not carry a firearm assuming anything. When your life is on the line you better know where that bullet is going to hit. Whatever you aim at you better destroy .
Carrying a fire arm for so many years does not mean anything . It is what you have done with that firearm, how you trained, some folks carry a firearm for thirty or forty years and can' t hit the broad side of barn. I am no expert when it comes to firearms, gelatin ballistics etc. all I know is what I can do with my firearm . And I do carry a model 60 357 Smith&Wesson 3"stainless revolver.
 
I have seen guys take 6 shots of 357 and not even slow down so your statement is just not true. It's one reason I don't care for expanding ammunition. Stopping power, knockdown power, energy transfer are all BS. CNS hit or unconsciousness from loss of blood is how you stop an attacker. A bullet that will go through your target is the best way to get that to happen which is why I like a good wad cutter. Which is one of the many reasons I carry a revolver.
 
I like both and think each has its purpose.
I wouldn't take a .458 Win mag. to shoot ground squirrels or a .22 to shoot elephants but I'm sure someone has.
I personally prefer a good 1911 as it's my favorite handgun but I chose a Sig P220 for home defense because the decocker allows for a more deliberate trigger pull in a stressful situation. I also prefer a semi because I carry it with the chamber empty and a loaded magazine. I know, I know that's truly foolish in the eyes of some but that's the way I prefer to do it. :p
So bottom line:
1. Terrorists climbing over the fence = 1911
2. Home defense = DA/SA semi auto
3. Handgun hunting = revolver
4. Life in the outdoors = revolver
5. Pest control = either type
6. target shooting = either type but revolver for longer ranges
7. concealed carry = either type but small and compact.
Note: 1 through 4 all start with .4 and a rifle or shotgun is always a better choice
 
BRUTUS... I carry my EDC 380 the same way, & got nothing but beat up over carrying like that, but I often do physical work, that has ripped my lil auto from good solid holsters, so, with my lifestyle, I'm happy to carry with a loaded magazine & empty chamber myself...

but you better either have thick skin, or your flame proof clothes on ;)
 
Yeah, the naysayers always roll their eyes when I say that but I had an accidental discharge 30 some years ago when I was young an naïve and ever since I religiously only put a bullet in the chamber when I'm ready to shoot.
And guess what, I ain't got any holes in my leg.:)
 
Six shots of 357 and not even slow down??????? Holy cats man aim for center of mass not the fingers. Just playing with you. If you use 357 hollow points center mass on a human not a bear, it will slow him down or put him down. I find it very hard to believe that the 357 never slowed him down. But hey all things are possible.
 
Yeah, the naysayers always roll their eyes when I say that but I had an accidental discharge 30 some years ago when I was young an naïve and ever since I religiously only put a bullet in the chamber when I'm ready to shoot.
And guess what, I ain't got any holes in my leg.
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If you carry and shoot a firearm safely and correctly, you won't be perforating your leg or anybody else's with unwanted holes. If you're young and dumb or older and even more dumb, negligent (not "accidental") discharges are likely to occur. Don't blame the gun or manner of carry for stupid and unsafe gun-handling.
 
Either way revolver or semi, just have it and know how to use it if God forbid you do need it.
I'd prefer someone that has my 6 just be profecient, regardless of what exact type of firearm.
 
If you use 357 hollow points center mass on a human not a bear, it will slow him down or put him down.
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There was a case years back where an officer emptied a cylinder of .357 center mass into the perp, he returned fire with a .22 short. The officer died, the perp lived. It doesn't matter what caliber you use or if you are using fmj, hollowpoints, LSWC, etc..., it matters more about where those bullet hits.
 
That is my point, you have to hit vital areas of the
body, or you are just wasting your time. You hit this
Guy center mass with 5 rounds of 357 hollow points
And if this guy does not go down then you better have a 50 caliber
Machine gun handy and some hand grenades.
 
Body size matters

There was a case years back where an officer emptied a cylinder of .357 center mass into the perp
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If I recall the bad guy was huge, and they thought that in his case, the .357 simply didn't get enough penetration.
 
dgludwig,
Didn't mean to raise your dander but sh!%$ happens. Seen to many reports and photos of policemen accidentally shooting themselves in the leg when their safe action trigger got caught on something. If you don't believe me google it. At any rate this is the method I prefer. You can't deny that the safest way to carry is unloaded and that is what I'm most comfortable with.
I figure if it was good enough for the Army and Marines it's good enough for me. I shoot a lot and train to be proficient with all my firearms but safety is always the number priority. That's my story and I'm stickin to it.:rolleyes:
 
I have no problem whatsoever in terms of how you choose to carry your firearm, Brutus, so long as it's in a safe manner. I don't, however, accept the notion that, when "sh!%$" happens" because someone was careless with their firearm, that you, I or anyone else should amend an otherwise safe way of carry (which includes carrying a gun with a round chambered if it is designed to do so) merely to accomodate someone else's act of stupidity. A gun that "goes off" unannounced almost always means someone behaved foolishly and carelessly with it. Negligent discharges don't translate to "accidents happen"; it means someone was negligent handling a gun. Period.

I don't need to "Google" the internet to view photos of cops who have shot themselves because they handled a firearm in a negligent way. I spent thirty years in law enforcement. I spent four years serving as a military policeman. I have my "stories" and unwanted images in my mind. But there's an old adage that has a ring of truth to it when it comes to policemen shooting themselves or others "inadvertently" or when carpenters cut off one of their fingers "accidently": Familiarity breeds contempt. You simply cannot be too careful when handling a firearm. Good training and attentiveness to what you're doing at all times prevent stupid and potentially tragic acts. "Sh!%$ happens" as an excuse simply doesn't cut it.
 
^^ Point well taken but I personally have adopted the philosophy of never having a loaded gun until I'm going to shoot. To old and ornery to change now. Even though my discipline tells me my gun is not loaded I still check it every time I pick it up. The only time I have deviated from this practice is in my beloved north woods where I carry a double action revolver for protection against critters that may want to make a snack out of me or my springer spaniels.:)
 
Why are you carrying a gun? If you are in the mall and, shots are fired, are you getting out of there or, do you plan on going towards the shots?

If you are carrying to defend yourself and your immediate family, I think you are well served with a good revolver. You only need to defend yourself against one, maybe two, bad guys. Speed and delivery of well aimed shots will win the fight. Honestly, against three or more armed, dedicated assailants, without a lot of luck, moving and shooting, your odds of prevailing before somebody gets a hit in on you are pretty remote. I would doubt you could get off more than six shots before the others broke an ran (most likely scenario) or you need to disengage (that would be, run away) or get hit.

If, however, you plan on taking the fight to the bad guys, a good semi auto will likely be a good thing.

I often carry a revolver, I love revolvers, but, from a practical standpoint, I know I'm going towards the shooting. I've been a Police Officer for 30 years, there is no way I'm not going in. Assuming my very able bodied wife and good sized kids can escape safely. If not, I'll likely stay with them until we're out and the latch onto the first uniform that shows up.

Look into the trolley mall shooting in Utah. That is what I'm thinking about when I run scenarios through my head. More ammo in that case might have been a good thing. But, again, that wasn't a self defense shooting.

Just carry whenever you can and carry whatever you are comfortable with. Get proficient with it and realize you are far and away ahead of 99.9% of the population.
 
That is my point, you have to hit vital areas of the
body, or you are just wasting your time. You hit this Guy center mass with 5 rounds of 357 hollow points
And if this guy does not go down then you better have a 50 caliber
Machine gun handy and some hand grenades
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I think you are missing the point entirely. It doesn't matter if you hit all shots center of mass, you can still miss vitals, and the .357 isn't some magical round that is a guaranteed man stopper. Once the bullet enters the target you cannot predict what is going to happen even if you have all COM shots. They way the bullet reacts, even if you hit them exactly where you wanted to, is completely unpredictable. You make it sound so easy when you say just hit the vitals or you are wasting your time. The shooter can only control so much, even if they do their part, the way the bullets react may not.
 
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