Are we fighting a losing battle with our gun rights?

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Is our precious gun culture eventually going to give way to social change and the weight of "progress"?

I certainly hope not, but I sometimes look around and see parents who discourage (or at least fail to encourage) gun ownership. I see kids growing up with no concept of the original meaning of the Constitution, let alone the importance of the Second Amendment. And, I see more and more people who simply have no experience with guns. To them, guns are something that only police have. What's more, the media has done such a once over on the gun culture that civilians with guns are, more often than not, viewed with raised eyebrows.

Or, can the American gun culture survive despite all this?

I'm just shy of 30, and these are my observations. I wonder how this problem looks to someone twice my age who can remember when guns were treated as normal everyday tools. Things must look really grim from that perspective. Or, are things looking better?

Any thoughts?
 
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Here's some thoughts:

1. The Assault Weapon Ban was allowed to die, effectively legalizing formerly banned weapons.

2. The DNC leader recently said that gun control is not a winning issue, and shouldn't be pursued.

3. This site and many others serve to educate and encourage the sport and freedom through unprecedented levels of access, via internet.

4. For better or worse, young people are being exposed and educated about guns through many forms of media, especially video games. That's a huge enthusiast fan base.

5. CCW laws are spreading, legitimizing and popularizing the legal use of guns for self defense.
 
Handy,

You're right, and it is very encouraging. But, long-term? History teaches that struggles have been lost despite huge victories.

I too see signs of encoragement. For instance, I am pleased to see more women at the gun range, and pleased to hear that women are applying for carry permits in large numbers. I am also pleased that the rise of the internet has exposed people to a news source other than the MSM.

But, I think my concerns are generally the concerns of the Founders: the inevitable tide of history tends to diminish liberty. That's why they insisted on a written Constitution and that's why the founders were so particular about enumerated individual rights. But, nonetheless, I think they all recognized that freedom is the exception rather than the rule, and I think they all feared the tide of history as a result.
 
Maybe, but that isn't a factor for me. If everybody gives up, it is gone. If everybody sits secure thinking that the fight is won or that it is unthinkable that gun rights will be lost, the cause is still lost. So I do what I can do regardless.
 
The opposition will not rest, they will not stop, they will not go away until their total disarmament agenda is reached. You can take that to the bank.
 
s our precious gun culture eventually going to give way to social change and the weight of "progress".
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In my opinion,there will always be those who are anti-gun. Even some states that are anti-gun. But they are in the minority. Because the vast majority of America is pro-gun. As an example look at all the states in the last ten years that have changed there laws and now allow concealed carry for its law abiding citizens. My home state [Virginia] would be a perfect example of that. Many of those states went from "may issue" to "shall issue". Over the course of just a few years it seems.The vast majority of the nation now favors concealed carry and this is reflected in the nations more liberal concealed carry laws.. :)
 
.........inch...............by.................inch.......Right? We just got to keep it in our direction.
 
I think the worst problem we face is the unrelenting, plodding, anti-gun dreadnaught of media combined with fewer people being familiar with guns beyond news reports of shootings and such. The best way we can secure our rights is to introduce new people to shooting and to recruit as many into our cause as possible. The anti-gunners have the advantage here because the media is their voicebox and they can easily reach (and scare) many people who are not familiar with guns. We need to do the best we can to counter the scare tactics and help people to appreciate the value of owning guns. I'm worried that as time goes on fewer and fewer people will take part in the shooting sports and as a result we will have no one to help our cause.
 
I agree with croyance - I'm not sue whether we are winning or losing, one day is depressing and others hopefully bright, but it really doesn't matter - it is the right thing to do and a fight that must be fought.

Carry on warriors, tomarrow is another day.
 
Yes we are.

Just like stopping the socialization of medicine, we will eventually lose this battle and most of the seeds are already sown. People don't hunt anymore. They depend upon doctors for their health and the police for their protection. Nobody does anything for themselves anymore, so yes. We are losing. We will lose.

I just hope to prolong that day until my great-grandchildren are long-gone.
 
Until enough people figure out that the leadership of both parties are fronted by the same people who are driving the current social change and "progress", things remain very grim indeed.

These people betray themselves in many ways; they claim to be our national and ideological defenders - yet continue to support the criminal institutions foreign and domestic that would disarm us. Legally, monetarily and politically.
 
Well, I'm not quite twice your age

But things have changed radically since I was young...

For example I grew up in a semi-rural area, and it was nothing for us "kids" (14-16) to wander down the (residential) street carrying a variety of firearms, on our way out to the fields, to hunt or to shoot targets. If I did that today, I'm sure it would look like an episode of "Cops".

What I see is an erosion of not only our gun rights, but all rights in general...Every day/month/year they pass more and more laws restricting our rights...And the Constitution has become a meaningless document to most politicians.

The only way we're gonna keep our rights (gun or otherwise), is to continue to fight for them. We've made some progress, but on the whole we're losing ground.
 
Yes, we are fighting a losing battle, and here's why:

Everybody only defends their favorite right, while working hard to deny their neighbor theirs. Gun owners zealously defend the Second Amendment, while ignoring or applauding the raping of the Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments in the name of the War on Some Drugs/Terrorism. Liberals stand up for the First Amendment, while working hard to negate the Second. Nobody understands that freedom is only safe if everyone is willing to tolerate all of their neighbor's freedoms, especially the ones they disagree with.

With everyone only fighting for what they like, and everyone simultaneously busily pushing their pet prohibition on their neighbors, freedom has nowhere to go but away.
 
I totally agree with Marko. We could sure use an ACLU that was pro-gun. But I don't know of a single rallying point for ALL rights.
 
I think the battle will be long and drawn-out, but in the end we will ultimately lose. We won't lose all at once, but the other side will keep chipping away and chipping away at our gun rights and eventually they'll all be gone.

Fewer and fewer Americans will be "into" guns as a result of the urbanization of our society, and fewer of those who are left care about the overall issue. Case in point: I've met plenty of deer hunters and trap/skeet shooters who sincerely believe that we shouldn't be allowed to own "assault weapons", handguns, and other "non-sporting" weapons.

In a way, our plight is similar to the plight of Israel. They're surrounded by enemies, and they've won every war they've fought so far, but they know that if they lose even one war, that's it, they're history.
 
Marko is correct.

A great example was the elections and yard signs. My neighbors put up their "Kerry" signs while I had up my Bush signs.

Oddly, the Bush signs were stolen (until I taped it to my truck) while his stayed up.

But I would have fought for my neighbors right to have a Kerry sign in his yard.

I fight for the 2nd amendment and do so with all the others. I wrote letters decrying the Patriot Act (ever noticed that when the bills have an American name that the bills are really anti-American?), I write letters of opposition for any bills that take away or water down any of our Rights.

Will we lose in the end, I guess in one way or the other. Either from allowing our Rights to be taken or they are taken by force. We can help to stop the first way, or die with our Rights intact with the second.

Wayne
 
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