Are new "old-model" S&W revolvers selling in your area?

More S&W Oldies but Goodies

When I told my brother I was getting into handguns last year, he said he had two older S&W's. He said they'd been dust collectors for about 20 yrs. We went to a local outdoor range and I shot both: a J frame Chiefs'Special snubbie, and a 1956 Mil./Police .38 Special 4". I wanted both, but he wanted to keep one for HD. Tough choice. I took the M/P 4". I got the sibling discount..paid $50.00(glossy blue finish is about 98%). 8 months later, totally reliable, fun to shoot, easy to aim, and it has the firing pin on the hammer. ;)
 
Theres alot of good older used smiths around here, problem is that the 17,27,28,57,29 and 25's are going for a premium. 450-500 for good clean N frames and 325 to 350 for decent 17's.:(
 
Put it to you this way.

My 4 Inch M-29-2, I watched the seller commision it to the gun store.

I asked about it immediatly, Asking price was $300.

Bought it right away no haggling about the price.

And NO IT IS NOT FOR SALE! :D
 
Saxon- - - Agreed- - -

- -- $400 a little steep for a M58, sight unseen, plus shipping, plus tax. I have a friend with FFL and a store, which means he has to collect sales tax. I'll continue shopping, but thanks for the tip.

Best,
Johnny Guest
 
Hmmm...S&W44, could it be that the howls of protest over the 17's aluminum cylinder caused people to replace them with 6 shot stainless cylinders?

;)
 
No,it's definitely a stainless steel cylinder.According to the Supica book,S&W ran off 200 of these in 1994.I'm just curious why they did it and why they only made 200.
 
They probably had 200 left over cylinders on hand and wanted to use them up. I got bashed pretty badly by S&W lovers on another foum for saying things like this, but over the years S&W has done this sort of stuff. They have mixed parts for no apparent reason, mismarked frames, used frames and parts out of sequence or on the wrong guns. I have an old smith that has the wrong frame. Not just mismarked, it is the wrong frame style for this gun. S&W historian Roy Jinks cannot explain what happened.

If this gun is documented and only 200 were produced, it might be of interest to a serious collector. But like I said, there are so many of these sorts of guns floating around that maybe only a really advanced collector would truly be interested in it. Sort of like the Winchester commemoratives. There were so many that unless you have the complete set the individual guns are not all that desirable.
 
Tamara, why do you take issue

with Navigator's statement...
Taurus sells ok, but the dealers have to send a lot of them back after first attemped firing session.
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?

I happen to agree with it. I've posted here before about how my favorite 'pusher' handles them. EVERY one gets examined before putting in the case. Because of his level of customer service, he was eating far too much shipping costs sending them back to Taurus under warranty. Costs for which they would not re-imburse him.(In all fairness, they may do so for the consumer, I just don't know.) That, combined with the added aggravation is what prompted him to do so.

Granted, Smith is certainly not immune to sending out the occasional problem piece. However, I don't think it can approach the level of QC issues rampant with NIB Taurus guns.:(
 
Because...

...I have spent a significant amount of the last 8 years behind the counter of gun shops and in my personal experience the return rate on Taurus products has not been anywhere near sending "a lot of them back after first attemped firing session". Their rate of return for revolvers over that period has been comparable to anybody else's (except Ruger's; those may be clunky, but they almost never come back for "fixits").

Well, that may need clarification in two areas. One, Taurus guns are cheaper, so folks may not bring them in for "this trigger pull is heavy" or "there's a smudge in the bluing" problems as often; their expectations are justifiably lower for a $250 gun than for a $500 gun. Two, the Total Ti guns seem to be rough as a cob out of the box, requiring some time to wear in, but then again, the AirLite Ti guns aren't exactly the QC champs out of Springfield, either.
 
I'll back Tamara up.

I spent nearly 6 years selling firearms, including Taurus.

Very few went back after the first firing session, and few went back period.

In the mid-1990s we were sending back FAR more Colt handguns than we were Taurus.

I, too, inspected guns before I dropped them on the shelf. I honestly remember flagging only 4 Taurus handguns for return -- a revolver with a badly installed barrel, another with a serious timing problem, a third that would lock up when cycled slowly, and a semi-auto with a seriously flawed finish.

Out of a SINGLE shipment of Colt handguns in early 1995 (IIRC), we sent back 5 out of 15 to 20 for serious problems.

The most aggravating? A Colt "custom shop" Python that was so badly out of time on two chambers that the cylinder would stop rotating with 3/4 of the chamber mouth out of alignment with the barrel. But hey, what do you expect? Perfection from a handgun that ONLY costs $950?

Several Taurus handguns that I sold to people in 1994 are STILL providing excellent service, with no return to the factory, and having been used regularly over nearly 10 years.

I've got well over 2,000 rounds of Winchester Wildcat through my Taurus PT-22 with ZERO malfunctions.
 
My Taurus Ti-Tracker went back to the factory with hairline fractures in the cylinder. Action was rough from the get-go.

It took 8 weeks of my constant calls to finally get them to take action. Week after week of excuses about "the new cylinders are being shipped... blah, blah, blah". Finally after I had heard enough excuses I threw a bit of a fit and insisted that they send a new revolver. It should never have taken the enormous amount of phone calls (on MY dime I might add) to get this resolved. It wasn't until I got through the wall of "couldn't-care-less" customer service, and talked directly to the customer service manager that the problem finally got resolved.

When the revolver showed up at my local gunstore I promptly traded it towards a new Marlin cowboy rifle.

Maybe the cylinder cracks were an anomoly - but it shouldn't take a lifetime to honor a "lifetime" warranty.

And call me stupid, but I'm one of those guys who bought one of the new Heritage Model 29 Smith & Wessons and I couldn't be happier. Stunning looking firearm and the action is terrific.
 
TAURUS QC

One dealer told me that Taurus was the only brand he carried that he had to personally inspect before in went into his showcases. As a result of that inspection, he returned "at least"
50% of the new guns.

I am of the opinion that, if the owner exercises the "lifetime guarantee", the owner pays the shipping charge to return the firearm and that, frequently, the turnaround time is quite
lengthy. I don't personally know that because I don't own a Taurus. However, the price does tempt me sometimes but I buy
a S&W instead. ( I do have one Colt and one Ruger---lots of Smiths).:)
 
NAVIGATOR,

One dealer told me that Taurus was the only brand he carried that he had to personally inspect before in went into his showcases. As a result of that inspection, he returned "at least"
50% of the new guns.
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One dealer told me that a Glock is the best pistol in the world and you should never carry anything else. Another dealer told me that M-16 bullets tumble through the air and can kill you from shock if they hit you in the finger. ;)
 
VictorLouis,

"One dealer" told NAVIGATOR that 50% of his Taurii were returned before hitting the shelf.

"Two Dealers" in this thread alone have said that number bears no relation to what they've seen.

Who's :rolleyes:ing now? ;)

Believe what you want.

Myself, I think one would have to be exceptionally credulous to believe that any manufacturer could turn out product with a 50% defect rate and not only survive, but thrive, in a competitive marketplace.
 
Just merely repeating what I was told. The other four dealers in my area don't sell Taurus.

Postings were not intended to be a personal attack---merely addressing some of the questions, observations and
experiences of others posting in this thread.
 
NAVIGATOR,

Postings were not intended to be a personal attack
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...and weren't taken that way. :) I was merely pointing out that your dealer's experiences didn't jibe with mine, that's all.
 
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