Are Glock 19 dimensions "perfect" for carry?

Good responses, thanks!

As I've migrated my carry position finally to about a 12:30 position, I've found that both length and thickness of the gun suddenly make much less difference than at other positions. I have an XD subcompact that's a full inch shorter in muzzle than a G19 but only 1/4 inch shorter in grip height. I started carrying around 4:00 and it still seemed to print no matter what I did. A thinner single stack printed less. I moved more to a 2:00 ish position over time and found the concealment was better, but I needed a short muzzle or else it just dug terribly into my thigh. Now at true appendix position, the muzzle clears my leg and the grip doesn't print at all. I suddenly find no difference at all between the double and single stack.

I like my XD just fine and doubt I'll trade it for anything, but we're I in the market I would consider the G19 size class. An AIWB holster with claw and/or foam wedge will make almost anything disappear!

I Echo some of the sentiments about the pistols that I've seen mentioned here. I'm not a huge fan of Glock, nor do I have anything against them, I find it to be a very utilitarian option which is kind of its whole selling point. I think I prefer almost everything about the new Smith & Wesson, especially in its compact size, but I agree that the texturing is just Overkill. If I were to buy that I almost certainly would end up putting Talon grips on it, which really defeats the whole purpose of having that texture at all. I found just from trying it out for a little while, that I could still feel that texture even through my thin undershirt. The CZ was good all around.

The only thing I can say I noticed that I do better with a slightly longer pistol, is I do seem to shoot more accurately when I'm being rushed. I guess it must be the longer sight radius. That goes for simply using a duty size Springfield pistol, same trigger and ergonomics and everything else, just a longer muzzle, and I do seem to do better with it. But the difference is fairly minimal, it makes a difference for target shooting and point-scoring, but I don't think it has any practical difference at defensive distances.

Anyway, whereas I started out looking at a Glock 19 and thinking who on Earth could possibly carry something that large, I now see that concealment is quite a lot easier than I thought it was.
 
Given the parameters of the OP, I'd have to agree that the Glock 19 has the 'ideal' dimensions that all other manufacturers are trying to approach. I say this as a enthusiast that is not a fan of Glock pistols in general. I fairly recently purchased my very first Glock (G19 gen 4), primarily as a back-up HD weapon that could double as a carry arm if necessary. I bought it after test-driving it a few times because it performed as advertised, and is a known quantity as far as reliability and durability. Oh, and it was on sale.

My only three critiques of it to this day are that it comes with plastic sights (which predictably got bent after only a couple months), the 'not-designed-for-human-hands' shape of the grip, and that it's just ugly. Otherwise it has been a great gun for me. I've liked enough that I've recommended it several times to friends as a first choice 'do-'it-all' handgun since I bought mine.

A couple months ago I bought a S&W M&P9 2.0 4.2-inch, mostly because of the rebate, and that I liked the gun when I rented one. Essentially, at least to my mind, it's S&W's version of a Glock. Except that it's not equipped with plastic sights, not ugly, and comes with a better trigger than the Glock, but the difference is probably not significant for any type of defensive shooting.

My only critique is the extra-aggressive stippling on the grip, which is great for holding onto the gun, but is not comfortable for IWB carry against bare skin. I'm still looking into what is the best way to deal with that, but as the gun is not my primary carry it's not a priority right now.

At this time I'm still recommending the Glock 19 to friends, simply because it has the long pedigree and extensive data to support the idea that it is an excellent top-tier pistol. But when I decide I want to shoot 9mm out of a double-stack gun these days, the Glock stays home and the M&P goes to the range. But that's just me, YMMV.
I read some blog post online recently, with somebody talking about using Talon grips on the new Smith & Wesson, but only on the side that was up against the skin. I'm not sure if I would like having two different textures around the gun, but the only place where that aggressive grip really seems to make a difference to me is in my right hand, and it's the left hand side of the grip that rubs against my skin. So I guess maybe it's not such a crazy solution.
 
Perfect? Certainly not in my case “perfect” would depend on many more factors than size to achieve “perfect” status. I have found that weapons needs change for specific missions ( good TV mumble jumbo) and no one makes one distinctive pistol that will be “perfect” for each situation.
 
Perfect? I’d say no. Like others, I’d say it could be improved for concealed carry by being less blocky and square (angles are dimensions too).

Good enough? Yes.
 
To answer your question, the overall size isn't too bad, but they could improve on the "blockiness" of the overall shape - making it thinner, (finally adding adjustable backstrap) rounding off or angling the slide, bobtailing the heel would all make it IMO, even better for concealed carry. I would imagine some of those things might also shave off ~4 oz or so.

Perfect? I’d say no. Like others, I’d say it could be improved for concealed carry by being less blocky and square (angles are dimensions too).

My first thought was that the Caracal Compact was on to something when they did most of this. Too bad they were brittle.
 
An undershirt will take care of that for you, Rangerrich.
Tight fitting tee shirt, hi collar. Always. Love my Gen 4 G19.

Whilst I already stuck my nose in, quoting SonOfScubaDiver. Below.

Gunfighters add bits to stock/standard pistols? Of course, they do.

First, scrap crappy plastic sights, yes it is expensive but is a must.
Happy medium, $60.00 factory night sights. Me, TruGlo in green, great!

Second, factory extended slide release (according to Glock Slide stop) a must. Watch Dave Svigney change Magazines!

The butt plug, flush fitting one, helps with smoother mag changes, why not, not that expensive.

And last, just for me? The magazine release digs into my second finger!
Sharp knife! Gone.

Gen 4 G19 sits just behind my right hip bone, outside belt slick Kydex holster
a real tight fit.
Fits close to the body does not print with my colourful print shirts!
Wilderness Frequent Flyer belt. Goes on plane, no need to take it off.
Offside, spare G17 mag, and bright LED flashlight. Wide braces (Suspenders!)

Same gear, same place, always.
 
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Good responses, thanks!

As I've migrated my carry position finally to about a 12:30 position, I've found that both length and thickness of the gun suddenly make much less difference than at other positions. I have an XD subcompact that's a full inch shorter in muzzle than a G19 but only 1/4 inch shorter in grip height. I started carrying around 4:00 and it still seemed to print no matter what I did. A thinner single stack printed less. I moved more to a 2:00 ish position over time and found the concealment was better, but I needed a short muzzle or else it just dug terribly into my thigh. Now at true appendix position, the muzzle clears my leg and the grip doesn't print at all. I suddenly find no difference at all between the double and single stack.

I like my XD just fine and doubt I'll trade it for anything, but we're I in the market I would consider the G19 size class. An AIWB holster with claw and/or foam wedge will make almost anything disappear!

I agree.
I can carry a Glock 19 about 12:30 just fine, have for years.
If I carry Glock 19 strong side IWB (3:00) muzzle will be in/on my hip.
A longer slide helps with this (Glock 35) gets muzzle past hip so pressure is distributed down slide rather than at muzzle, much better.
Full size 1911 is similar, slide long enough so that muzzle is not digging into hip.
 
For those of you carrying 12 o'clock or so would you mind sharing what holsters you're using? I'm looking to move that way but I'm meh on some options I've seen.
 
For those of you carrying 12 o'clock or so would you mind sharing what holsters you're using? I'm looking to move that way but I'm meh on some options I've seen.
I'm using the Vedder Light Tuck holster, to which I've added a neoprene wedge from JM Custom Kydex.

Since I'm carrying a subcompact, that's sufficient for concealment. Anything larger would probably benefit from one of the "wing claw" designs that pulls the grip in toward your body.

This is the wedge: http://www.jmcustomkydex.com/p/NSWK.html

To put it bluntly, the wedge basically cushions the muzzle of the gun as it rests against your pubic area. It tilts the muzzle away from your body a bit and fills in the space. Without it, the grip tends to flop forward which (a) prints more and (b) makes the muzzle dig into your body when you bend or sit. The side benefit of using the wedge to tilt the muzzle outward, is that it tilts the grip inward and helps with concealment. It's also a lot more comfortable. This wedge comes with self adhesive Velcro and it's a snap to install it. If you want to use the wedge on more than one holster, you can get more Velcro at Hobby Lobby for $5.

The wing claw design causes your belt to rotate the holster inward and pulls the grip into your body. This helps with concealment when the grip is long. I think 5" is (for my average height and build) probably the tipping point. With just the wedge, my XD subcompact (4.75" height) conceals fine, but the extended magazine (5.5" height) prints badly. I don't have the claw but I can see that it probably would help to conceal that extra bit of length.

Were I to do it over again, knowing I'd carry at 12:30, I'd probably have gone with the JM custom AIWB holster.

Another style that seems popular is the "sidecar" style, that rides directly in front and has a mag carrier built in. Check out T-REX Arms Sidecar to see that. I prefer to separate the two carriers because it gives me more options of how and where to adjust things, but then I've never tried the Sidecar!

JM Custom's "Wing Claw 2.0" is well reviewed but expensive. You can include the wedge.
 
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The barrel length and most importantly, the grip length are about optimal for a larger sized CC weapon. If you can get used to the grip's 2x4 feel, and the trigger, the G19 or G23 are about perfect for CC carry.

That barrel length equates to a good inter-sight distance needed for engaging targets from 10-25 yds as and if necessity demands. And the grip length is easily concealed with a shirt tail out ward robe choice in most instances, from a OWB holster. As to triggers, I've yet to see a Glock trigger that precluded combat accuracy to at least 25 yds, and most were good far beyond that. (And I'm a died in the wool 1911 fan).

But if your daily clothing choices revolve around shower clogs, a tight fitting T shirt or wife beater, plus cargo jeans, then you might have a problem...otherwise, IMHO, your're good to go. Rod
 
Mrs.Doc’s baby brother is Spec Forces
& when I first discussed getting a
Pistol for SD/carry, all he said was
He carries the G19 & just said
Get the G19. Never regretted getting
It then or now.
 
My G17 has been mostly faithful since my 1989 purchase. Right now it is on the way to Glock GA for some repair work (it turns out that dry-firing a G17 is not a good idea). In the mean time, I'll carry my Springfield Armory M1911A1 .45.
 
Glock rocks

First I do not consider myself a Glock fan boy, nor any other brand.
It's often stated when considering a purchase of anything. Price, quality, service, pick two.
Price: Excellent pricing whether a civilian or a LEO.
Quality: Been packing mine for about ten years with thousands of rounds down the pipe, only issue was my crummy reloads it really helps to put powder in EVERY round.
Service: I know nothing of Glock warranty service as you just don't hear about people needing warranty service.

Esp. now that they have dropped the perfection BS from their advertising I find nothing to prevent my purchase of another Glock.

Yes they don't get any beauty awards. Function over form I suppose.

I chuckle a bit at the Ruger fanboys who rave about how great their service is.......it better be good given that it is likely you may need it for a brand new purchase. Hows about getting the guns right in the first place?
 
I have all three sizes of 9mm Glocks. I just saw this Wilson and - while VERY expensive - it sure looks very interesting:

x9right.jpg


https://www.wilsoncombat.com/edc-x9/

G19 size and capacity with a 1911 trigger, hammer and external safety (for those who feel the need)

Sorry for the pic size - if someone knows how to easily resize, either let me know or have a Mod do it.
 
If you have seen the STI Costa VIP, it is about the same deal. Perfect size. 1911 trigger and reset. Great ergonomics. Lovely accuracy. The problem is at $2000 with $150 mags (that occasionally require tweaking) it is on the "budget" end of 2011s.

If Wilson can either increase reliability or reduce cost, they should be able to clean up in that market.

ETA: Well, I see they aren't going for the "reduce cost" angle.
 
You live in Jersey I’m in CO so 15 round mags are the legal limit, the 19 outsells the 17 by a wide margin everywhere especially here in CO. I can shoot my Gen3 19 about as well as my Gen 3 17, but these are both keepers.
In CO you can go to any LGS an buy a "mag kit" for you glock 17, etc. You have to go through the trouble of assembling the magazine yourself. And deal with whatever premium the lgs charges.
 
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