Are all of your carry magazines loaded the same?

If you can't fix whatever mess you got into with one mag, you're in waaaay over your head. A second or third mag is not going to make any difference.
You are not going into combat. Nor are you fighting crime.
"...quality ammunition that Law Enforcement carries..." Ammo is sold to 'em by the highest bidder. Isn't necessarily "quality". Most cops never practice with or even fire their issue firearm anyway.
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a gun fight is a gun fight.. fighting is combat by it very nature. Fighting crime or not, ...the sentiment make no difference toward winning or losing. One could argue that if you are defending yourself from an unlawful attack, you are fighting crime. I get you meaning though, and you are right.. I am no crime fighter.

As far as ammo goes, the next bullet out the barrel may be the one that saves you if the last one didn't. Carrying an extra mag may not always be about ammo, it may be about a stoppage via magazine defect. One good way to remedy that sort of stoppage is to simply ditch the mag for another.

To say that extra ammo cant or wont matter is just plain silly
 
I once read a post from a guy who loaded magazines with ammo based on the bullets with his "long range" load first and "close up" load last, based on the idea that the BG is approaching him. How silly is it possible to get?

Jim
 
There are some silly ideas out there Jim. A couple of my favorites are that if you need a reload you're done anyway and just having a gun is good enough. Maybe the silliest (and most dangerous) I know of personally is a family member who is absolutely not going to shoot anyone, but carries a gun to "scare them off." He also uses that to rationalize his lack of training and skill. I guess in all of these it makes little difference what you have in a second magazine.:rolleyes:
 
Yes. They're usually all loaded with the same load. But I trust 3 different ones the most.

I have Corbon DPX 9mm 115gr +P in all the magazines for my wifes Glock 17.

Winchester Ranger T 127gr +P+ in all the magazines for my HK USP 9 Compact.

Federal HST 124gr in all the magazines for the M&P 9L and 2.0 Compact.

I've seen guys load up the "salad" magazines. Those are scary....
 
Up until last month I had Winchester Defend 147s in my Glock 19, and Speer Gold Dots in my 2 reloads.

This because I didn't have enough of either load to fully fill with just 1.

They were also the only loads I'd tested with my gun.

Then I arranged a group buy of HST 124s at work and filled everything with that.
 
Let me at least explain the reasoning behind it.

I have slowly been switching over to being comfortable with a G19 as EDC. I have gone around in my mind about carrying one spare magazine or two. I believe that you should practice in a way that allows the use of the firearm to be virtually automatic so your mind can work through the situation at hand. As such you practice to draw the front magazine from a pouch first and then the rear.

By the time you get to that third magazine in a G19 you will have fired 31 rounds and failed to stop the threat. However you will also still be "in the fight" in that you are still changing out that magazine.

The thought process was a consideration of the situations that would result in such a concern. The only ones I can see are being fired upon from behind cover or body armor of some type. This is why the thought of having a different "exotic" ammo such as the Extreme Penatrator came into play.

I don't think you should place yourself in a situation where you would consciously be deciding what magazine to load due to ammunition in it during a gun fight. I was imply laying this out as a "escalation" of ammo if the situation had failed to resolve itself after the first two magazines.
 
what ever my EDC might be for the day, my spare mags have the same ammo in it..

i also want to make sure i am going to get the same point of aim / point of impact if i am shooting at someone..
 
I have a hard enough time just researching round effectiveness and testing that ammo for reliability and accuracy. I have two loads that I currently trust for my 9mm and .40 semi-autos and one load that I trust in my revolvers. This is after shooting at least 200-300 rds per gun with no malfunction whatsoever and acceptable POI to POA.

I buy at least a few hundred rounds of carry ammo a year in each caliber and try to shoot around two boxes a year of that (including rounds that were carried and downgraded to practice ammo) to continually verify accuracy and reliability. I like to have a cache of at least 500rds of carry ammo in each caliber in case of pricing craziness or otherwise lack of availability.

I might have different loads in different guns, but all loaded mags for a particular gun will have the same ammo. I don't want to take any chances with a round that might shoot differently in any way.
 
No, they are not! Under the hammer, so to speak, is a 147g Win. Ranger T. Followed by 15 more rounds of the same. Glock 19 Gen 4, with TruGlo night sights.

The spare magazine, a G17 mag. full of NATO hardball. I can not really give a good answer for Sub Gun Ammo, except the situation might have deteriorated, as in the case of bad people who have now taken up residence in a vehicle.

Most of the fights I have been involved in have been fists or feet.
Some handheld helpers as well, a very old, very hard bankers ruler, 18" long, I believe made of ebony? Of course, the early 60s in Liverpool night Clubs. The UK. Was not the kinder, gentler "Security" of today, lawsuit City.

But now at 82, I feel that being as wide awake as possible, and carrying a very reliable 9mm pistol. Is as good as it gets.
And things can go wrong, anywhere, anytime, yes?
 
Let's face it: people are getting fatter all the time. 18 inches penetration in gel may not cut it.

That is why I only carry HNTB rounds by Through & Through Ammo company.

HNTB stands for "Hot Knife Through Butter" and is rather unheard of but I am sure it will catch on with time. It's a 150 grain depleted uranium core in an all copper jacket. It penetrates! :eek:

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I made all of that up.....if you want to carry a spare mag full of FMJ or these "Xtreme Penetrators" that's fine. After the Aurora, Colorado theater shooting, I considered carrying a 7.62x25mm Tokarev as backup, loaded with S&B FMJ....it's been shown to penetrate soft body armor, which that monster was reported to have been wearing.

https://www.lehighdefense.com/pages/xtreme-penetrator
 
That is why I only carry HNTB rounds by Through & Through Ammo company.

HNTB stands for "Hot Knife Through Butter" and is rather unheard of but I am sure it will catch on with time. It's a 150 grain depleted uranium core in an all copper jacket. It penetrates!

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I made all of that up....
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Good one. : )
 
I'm thinking out loud here, so just bear with me. I'm thinking that some folks might load their 15 rd mag like this... the first 10 they load are cheap target rounds and the five at the top of the mag are JHP. The reasons:

1. The first five shots out of the mag are in the event of an up close self defense encounter and then to get away or behind cover. And then it doesn't really matter what you've got left in the mag if the first five hollow points didn't stop the threat. Or...

2. The first five shots are for the very unlikely event of a self defense encounter. And the remaining 10 are to save on the cost of the ammo in the mag.

I would bet that some people load their high capacity mags this way.
 
2damnold4this: thank you and I love your name.

nanney1, that's not bad thinking actually! I believe Jeff Cooper (whom we all know and love) advocated carrying FMJ in .45 ACP as it didn't really matter if it expanded or not. LOL

I heard of a local cop that carried Black Talon round up the pipe and a mag full of FMJ. I think he was a victim of hype more than anything though.
 
This has gone off the rails, back off from Internet blather - professional folks load their magazines with a high quality JHP. NO alternating rounds, etc.

There are high quality 45 ACP JHP nowadays. So the past was then, this is now.
 
Glenn E. Meyer said:
...professional folks load their magazines with a high quality JHP...
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Yeah.

Unless they can't due to (possibly incorrectly interpreted) law. Some professionals don't have the option to use JHP, as it's "too inhumane". Such is the case for those serving in combat zones.

Which brings me to the point of this thread. Some service members would carry JHP rounds anyway. However, in order to thwart the lurking busy-body, who didn't have to go toe-to-toe with nefarious folks who would never consider the "humanity" of any particular action, these service members would load their magazines so that the first few rounds were the issued FMJ, thus giving the appearance of compliance.

Don't get it twisted - this was not a technique that was intended to deal with a situation where the threat didn't resolve with those first few rounds of FMJ, and therefore required the hollow points. These folks would certainly have preferred all their magazines full of JHP.
 
Federal developed the EFMJ (expanding full metal jacket) rounds that might have gotten around those silly FMJ laws. *That line was later dropped, :( Corbon has Power N Ball and Hornady has a plug in their XTP line that mimics a FMJ.

I carry all hollowpoint and I practice with what I carry. In .45 though, I never feel bad carrying all FMJ.
 
Lohman446 asked:
Are all of your carry magazines loaded the same?
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Yes.

The way I look at it, if I ever have to actually produce a gun with the intent to use it, my limbic system is going to be in overdrive and I'm going to have to rely primarily on my training to take over.

In that crisis moment, my ammunition has to perform EXACTLY as it did on the range when I was training. I can't afford to have a mix of ammunition that might perform differently so every mag is loaded with exactly the same loads.
 
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