Ar-15

What model as in A2 Heavy Barrel with carry handle, A3 Heavy barrel flat top, VMatch with Free Float barrel or Dissapator.

Just off the top of my head, I would say $865 is high. I paid $830 for a VMatch and I shop at a place that will sell the A2 Hbar for $699.

Now Pre Ban would make a big difference.

Karsten
 
glad I asked. its obvious i don't know jack about ar's. it had a handle with sites if that helps. guy is open on sun not sat...i'll find out.
would that guy that sells for 699 sell between states or only locally?
 
Exile,
Check out www.bushmaster.com and at the top of the page find catalog....ya gotta look for it :confused: let us know what Handgaurds it had. Short ones about 10 inches then the front site or full lenth with the site at the end of the barrel?

Yes, Impact will ship and they will beat anyones out the door price as well.
They also had 6 (I Got One :D NIB, Never owned prebans. BM A2 Hbars, evil pry bar tool lug, Real FH, 2 position collapsable stock for between $1249 and $1380. No Mags but they all have a sling if you want the real things.

But maybe you better hold off on the collector stuff until next month.......sorta cut or teeth on a great little A2 and start working harder and longer hours.

I started with a VMatch, then I needed a Dissapator, Then I had to have a Stoner M4 and now a Preban A2 all in 4 months :confused:
I need serious help.

Karsten
 
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this is it. can't forget that muzzle break.

but on a side note, what would i have to do to own something like this in full auto? :D seriously

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or could I just buy a new one with a short threaded barrel and pay the tax (class III?) for the silencer and get a hellfire (or equivalent trigger system)? are those trigger systems any good?
 
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In general, the Carbon 15 rifles have not distinguished themselves for their reliability. If you drop into the Professional Ordnance section on AR15.COM, you'll see plenty of talk about it. I suspect there's some threads here too, do a search on "carbon" and see what you find. I've been tinkering with my Carbon-15 rifle for a year, still don't have a 100% reliable gun.
 
Exile,
The 1st pic is of the 14.5 inch barrel with an AK brake. Bad choice in my opinion for a starter.
Number one reason....the barrel lenth hurts velocity and accuracy is poor.
Number two reason....the brake is louder than hell :eek:
As for full auto...class 3 permit. Go for it and let us all know what loops you jump through, what bells you have to ring and the mountain of paper work that the ATF dumps on you :confused:
As for the Carbon 14...pass.

Go back to Bushmaster or check out XM15 E2S shorty 16 Inch carbine, that is the $699 gun. Better yet a XM15 E2S Dissapator with the full sight radius.

I have one of each and than a few.

Karsten
 
wow... those are great prices!

k. this is my delima. i'm going to post this in the auto thread also under my other post.


what kind of wear do full auto weps get...or is this something that the factory takes precautions for in production? a full auto ar-15 will run some serious $$$. could i take a new gun and get it with a threaded barrel on it so i can get it surpressed afterwards. and pay whatever tax... i would love to get a full auto but i'm skeptical and don't think that a purchase like that is worth it IMO. with that kind of money, i probably could buy two of the guns i mentioned above and some hand guns too. the pic below is what i am talking about and am interested in. please help. i really appreciate the help everybody has given up so far...this is a great place!

and is there some sort of sear (or whatever) conversion to turn a regular ar to a full auto (all nfl rules applicable of course)?



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The Surpressor will cost you more than the rifle and then a $200.00 tax stamp on top of a long wait.
Put it this way, I saw a Beretta .32 Tomcat for $369.00 and the supressor ran it up to $800 really quick....then you get to pay the Feds.
Same thing for a .223 or .308 you are way over the price of the rifle.

Then you need optics :eek:

Karsten
 
you can not have a threaded barrel end on a post 94 AR15

you should prolly start with the 700 dollar AR before you buy a 7000 dollar AR
 
Full auto is of little value to a rifleman; but it's a good way to waste ammo and burn out barrels.

What do you think the sound suppressor is gonna do for you? How quiet is the supersonic crack of a projectile moving at almost 3 times the speed of sound.

I paid $700 for a Bushmaster Dissipator, and I have plenty of fun plinking metal plates at 200 yards. No detachable doohickies to take on and off, sight in, or lose. No expensive Aimpoints, ACOGs, back-up rear sights, rail system handguards. Just focus on the front sight and press the trigger... TING! Repeat as neccessary. Good clean fun.

I've often thought about building an M4gery, but for the price of all the crap I'll end up attaching to the rifle, I can buy ANOTHER rifle! Yeah, I think I do need a M1A, not a bunch of overpriced, poser-commando gizmos to make my 7lbs .22 into a 10lbs toy.

Gotta agree with dZ and Karsten, start with a $700 AR then you can upgrade IF you please.
 
Yep, I ask myself the same question when someone puts a $2k plus 4x4 option on there truck and it nevers see's anything but pavement. I apprecaite the constructive criticism, but I wasn't really asking "why". But if you want to know why, I can answer that too. Why not?:)

Are the treaded barrels something that can be put on a preban? Would an original full auto AR be like an "investment"? Are they gaining value right now at an incredible rate?
 
why not?besides they big dollers and mountain of paperwork and cost of all that ammo you will use up if you can find a place to shoot it(auto fire draws alot of attention,even way out in the country.can you imagine the attention you will draw to yourself from the ATF.I DONT WANT TO BE ON THEIR A LIST.supressor,full auto?sounds like a newbi for sure.its just not worth it.and if you try to do it illeagly man o man 20 years in jail definatly aint worth it.i have shot full auto and 3 shot bursts are more fun IMHO.full auto ,once you do it ,IMHO is really overated.semi auto is fast enough for me.
 
Exiled,

Putting the why/why not aside, I would go to a class III state (like my home, NV) and try it out. Go to Frontsight, NV, take their full auto course. Rent from the local shops here and give it a whirl. I had been toying with the idea of an UZI when they were $2700. I have shot a few FAs out here; HK53; MACs, Tommy Gun. All were fun as hell. I now know that i probably would not get one, at least until i have some TOTALLY disposable income, but that is my choice and budget :D And yes, the MGs appear to be increasing in value. I have never seen one go down in value, but i don't know alot about these things.

As for the SBR you mentioned earlier, I don't think you can incorporate the 'pre-ban' features on an SBR (meaning Collapsible stock, bayo lug, nade launcher, Flash suppressor/threaded barrel). So to get the one you saw in the pic, you'll need a true preban, or a machine gun.

I have a POSTban AR flattop like the one you posted. For a first AR, this one is pretty fun. Sure you are not going to get the accuracy like a 20" crowned muzzle, but it's relatively light, handy, and very reliable.
 
Scoops

I two have shot both. If being in and around guns off and on for 4-5 years makes me a newbie, well thanks for informing me. :rolleyes: And I never said anything about do anything illegal; you did.

An opinion is one thing...and being judgemental is another. Thanks for enlightening me. I was previously lost until I read your reply.

I was really mistaken. I thought that this was a place where people who love guns could come and be among people who enjoy the same things. Instead, I feel like I stumbled across an anti-gun message board and am having to explain myself more than enjoy myself. :( Or at least half the time. Does every new member usually get such a hard time?

This all started as a question on a new AR. And later down the line I ask something "but on a side note" about full auto's etc.
 
As I'm usually the one getting everyone mad, I'm going to try a different role today.

SETTLE DOWN EVERYONE!

Ok, now that that's over, let me say a few things.

Excilefromhell, I don't think that anyone has really tried to discourage you, but they're really bringing up good points. Full auto, while fun, is really useless to the average Joe. It wears out barrels faster than you can think it, and it's awfully expensive to feed,even with a good reloading setup. I'm not talking hundreds of dollars, I'm talking thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars per year in ammo, if you want to have any fun for more than a day. You'll go through a barrel a couple of times a year. Is this what you want?

Ok, so I'm being a little extreme here, but if you're like me, you like to play with your toys. In order to really have fun with a toy like that, I'd like to be able to shoot about 1K per weekend, maybe once a month. I think that that's reasonable. If I were REALLY into full auto, I'd probably want to go through 1-2K every weekend, using several different guns to spread out the wear. However, I'll continue with my "reasonable" path.

Ok, so 1K per month, times 12...that's 12K which if the barrel isn't worn out yet, I'd be surprised. Expect it to go around 8K I'm guessing if loads are "standard" the twist is slow (1:12?) and you keep the barrel somewhat cool. Basically, expect a new barrel every 7 to 8 months at that rate. Barrels run about $200 not installed. At this rate, you might as well get the tools and do it yourself, I hear it's not rocket science at all. Surplus .223 sells for about $125 per 1K, so that's $1500 per year on ammo, and if you're reloading, buying in large bulk for everything, plan on being close to that, too. My .223 match ammo is more, but not by much. Let's not forget wear and tear on the rest of the rifle. Sure, it can take a lot, but new springs and action parts will eventually wear out. I'm guessing at least $100 per year in upkeep...at least.

Now, honestly, if I were going to shoot that much, I wouldn't be using an AR. I'd buy a Ma Duece and really have a good time. If you're going to go full auto, make it BIG. Alternately, a GE Mini Gun would be nice. I think my ego could handle that. ;)

But seriously, the folks I know that shoot full auto, that's their major shooting interest. They buy several types of full auto guns, usually i the same caliber, and shoot them all, usually at LEAST once a month. Full-auto isn't really an on the side kinda thing. It kinda takes over your interests. If that's you, go for it. Look into .223 caliber AK's (AK-74), Galil's, and other .223 caliber full-auto rifles...that way you can spread out the wear.

What's all this going to do for you? Well, if you get bored with shooting up a fridge or something (I'd get bored with that in about 2 seconds) then you're going to want to start practicing shoot and move drills. Make sure you keep "safety first" when you do things like this. If you really practice hard, take a few classes, and work at it, you'll be a force to be reconed with within 100 yds or so, but without a team, you're still dead meat. This is where the stuff the other guys were saying comes in. If you're fighting lone CQB against several aggressors, you're screwed. The only way to really do any damage in a SHTF deal, is to be far away, and not make more than one shot at a time before you move, unless you have a very good position, and you know you can egress long before your enemy gets near you. (Imagine a cliff, and an easy get away for you, and your enemies are in front of the cliff) Now as Art says, "Nothing will be like you imagined" so this is purely anecdotal. Anyway, in that position, sure, I'd take several shots, but I'd need a rifle that's accurate at 500 yds, maybe more, and I'd have to know how to use it. A full auto AR from this position would be a remake of an "A-team" fiasco.

That's what these guys are getting at. Full auto tends to be a waste for the average Joe. Good luck in your purchasing!

Dang! I've still got almost 6k more characters to type before I hit the limit!
 
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