AP - Gore: Ban Guns in Churches

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Imagine for a moment how Bore and Klingon would feel if their secret service agents weren't allowed to protect them with firearms while THEY are in a church. Uh, it's complete bullsh!t.

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The federal government regulating churches.

"Hello? Hello? Anybody home, McFly?!"

I suppose I should not be surprised, even for the Gorton Administration. When you laugh at any one part of the Constitution, why respect any other?

What is most upsetting is the utter silence from American congegations, especially those "on the cutting edge of civil liberties."

Can _anyone_ explain this silence to me?

There is, as a follow-on, no reason for the government to dictate what you may and may not preach in chirch ("for the children," of course.
 
This story was reported as saying that Gorton is supporting _legislation_ to ban weapons, not just a non-binding referendum.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in Mosques, aren't men required to carry daggers? I guess they're next.

I am kind of waiting to hear from the more conservative synagogues in which a number of people conceal carry for the next time some anti-semitic killer shows up. The reform synagogues, on the other hand, are happy with the proposal. Mine is actually sponsoring a bus to take "right thinking" members to the Million Liberal Whine in DC.
 
And finally ... where the hell is Bush? I am getting a sick feeling that Gorton will trounce him in November, and voters, sick of "Republican" congressmen who roll-over for every Dem proposal, will vote a Dem congress back in. Why not vote for what you get?

Here's a new topic: do the Republicans actually believe in _anything_?
 
What would answer this insanity best would be for clergymen or churchgoers to get together and oppose it on the grounds that it would do nothing to deter the maniacs, but would prohibit off-duty or retired LEO's, military and other legal carriers of concealed weapons from defending those in attendance.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mute: ... someone who had no problem with breaking the law that says it's illegal to commit murder, would all of a sudden have a problem with carrying a gun into a church because it's against the law ...[/quote]This hits the problem right on the head and is the best reason why there shouldn't be any gun laws -- an activity should be legal or illegal independent of what tools are used. If someone uses a gun to kill someone or chokes them to death with their bare hands, murder was still committed -- the act itself should be illegal and not the object used. Going to church with a gun or a pair of keys should be judged the same. If the object is not used for illegal means, then it should be legal. If a gun is not used in a hostile manner, then it should be legal everywhere.
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Now that the Supreme Court has thrown out the federal law against guns in schools, they want to ban guns in churches?

Good thinking. But what's going on with the nonsense about guns in churches when states pass ccw laws? Is there a lot of fighting going on regularly in your church today? Is a church the equivalent of a bar?

What are they thinking? Has such a law ever been enforced against anyone?
 
Here is what they are thinking: WACO.

This would give federal entities the right to go into any grounds considered a "church" and disarm them. It would give them grounds to search any church if they suspected weapons present. And, it would mean that churches are surely disarmed, so there would be no Branch Davidians shooting back.

Catch my drift?

It is called religious oppression, and they are disguising it as a feel good law.



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When they speak of instituting "common sense gun control laws" keep this quote in mind:

"A `common-sense' approach to gun violence in America would be to ban handguns,"
- Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center, (Washington Post, March 2000)
 
It never ceases to amaze me that the same people who scream about "separation of church and state" have no problem with non-separation of state and church.

I had heard that senator Lieberman from Connecticut had authored a bill that would prohibit firearms in churches and schools. They even had him on the news stating that there needed to be places that were free from guns. he's an idiot of course. What he is really setting up is OSHA zones for criminals. They may as well place signs at churches and schools that state "Disarmed Victims Congregate Here".

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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
 
Just curious, but how would this be applied in a situation like the Branch Davidians at Waco?.

Seems like a good way to get 'legal' cause to break up any religious group that the goverment has problems with.
 
Couple of thoughts here.

If the people of the Peoples Democratic Republic of California don't want to carry guns in their local skypilot residence, then that's up to them. And if my pastor doesn't want me carrying in his church, then that's okay too. I'll just find another church.

However, the Federal Government does not, and should not, get a say on what happens inside a church. Period. The Federal Government has no business telling, nay forcing, the people of the State of Texas to abide by the same set of conditions as the sheeple of New Jersey.

If the Federal Government wants to start mucking about inside churches, then I think it's only fair for churches to start mucking about inside the Federal Government. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Oh, wait--that violates something...

Now, what about those who are required to go armed to church? If an organized, recognized religion requires it's members to go armed as a central tenet of their faith--can the Federal Government require and demand the members of that religion to commit a sin?

I call your attention to the Sikhs. There are several things required of every Male of the Sikh religion. One of those requirements is that every Male Sikh carry a knife on his person at all times.

Now, personally I wouldn't want to be the poor, dumb hack who has to tell a Sikh to leave the knife behind.

I wouldn't mind watching what happens, though. From a distance, of course. Quick and messy comes to mind...

LawDog

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Valdez: Now that the Supreme Court has thrown out the federal law against guns in schools ...[/quote]When did this happen? Do you mean to say that I can now bring a concealed firearm onto school grounds when I pick up my daughter if I have a state CWL?
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Wow, here's a subject that hits close to home. When I used to go to church (there's a sad tale for another day) I used to "carry". Of course, at that time I lived and worked in the "kill zone" and carried everywhere. Anyway, I was one day discussing this with other "gun people" and got verbally abused for my being armed "in a place of worship". Oh well. What this post also gets me to wondering about is those who "carry" while drinking at their favorite bar. This, of course, is a real hairy discusion due to the fact that all the "concealed carry" statutes that I am aware of absolutely forbid this. But let me say that when I lived in the land of bad things, one day two wackos did an armed takeover of a local college bar and did lots of bad things before finally being killed by the cops. Customers were killed, wounded, sexually assaulted, etc, etc. So when the "government" tells me that drinking while armed is not allowed because of the "safety factor"...huh! Anyway, just a thought which know it will get everybody all riled up.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Covert Mission:
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LawDog, can we carry concealed in churches in Texas? At one time you could not. Was that one of the changes?
 
Next time Clinton or Gore go to church (I will resist making a snide comment on that issue) someone ought to ask if the Secret Service is present and armed. And, of course, they will be.

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